18-11-2018, 08:19 PM
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[QUOTE=itsme;1572880]MY GRATITUDE? what the ---- are you on about?I do NOT disrespect this country as you say, only some of the Richard Cranium's who live in it.
You seem also to hold a lot of people in contempt, probably more than a rational person would be expected to do. e.g. the Germans, the French, the Dutch, (not bothered about me).
Is it about time you started putting something positive forward on this forum instead of your twisted and warped views about what you see as the big bogey man called the EU.or are you setting them up as to blame when we come out and descend in to a chaotic shambles (QUOTE/
Putting aside you're boring but now predictable insults aimed at me in every reply you have made to my posts,
I will on this occasion reply.
I have absolutely nothing against France, Germany, Netherlands, or any other European country and it's citizens, What I detest is the EU dictatorship. simple as that.
18-11-2018, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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Again, that's nonsense.They have been planning this for decades.
Undermining Nato by not spending their 2% gdp on defence was a deliberate ploy..
They see Brexit as an opportunity to push this agenda forward.
It's nothing to do with Brexit, Trump has changed the status quo.
18-11-2018, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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What I don't understand about that is if they can't pay their 2 percent towards NATO how are they going to afford their own army ? makes no sense to me although others will say I'm too dim to understand the ways of the world,
The nato as organisation makes all kinds of costs for personel, office equipment, office buildings etc. These costs are paid by all members, based on their shared wealth as a country. All members have always paid their membership dues.
Nato members in 2006 have agreed that by 2024 they will spent 2% of their GDP on defences. A small country like Albania has few enemies, so their spending is low. A country like the USA have always spent heavily on armaments. They declared war on Korea, Vietnam, drugs, terrorists, and recently even their army is keeping immigrants from the borders. Where mr. Trump muddles the nato issue, is that costs of patrolling the pacific, burning south amercan jungle to destroy cocaine facilities, patrolling mexico and canadian border are added up by him and he says that is usa's part in paying nato.
How to compare this with UK contribution in form of military bases in germany, gibraltar, cyprus. It's not fair.
18-11-2018, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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Again, that's nonsense.They have been planning this for decades.
Undermining Nato by not spending their 2% gdp on defence was a deliberate ploy..
They see Brexit as an opportunity to push this agenda forward.
As for not paying the agreed amounts to NATO, if I were Trump I'd tell them that the US is not going to pay for their defence any more and they can consider themselves out of NATO.
America likes to have bases in as many areas of the world as possible in case of dangerous events, but they'd still have the UK, and such places as Turkey and the middle east, and also possibly British bases like Cyprus.
I think that would make the EU rulers perk up, especially if Russia decides to take advantage of the situation!
19-11-2018, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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That is complete and utter crap. Nato is not the USA.There is NO reason to need an EU army.
You have totaly sold your soul to the EU if you think the EU needs an army.
Of course America=NATO to suggest otherwise is head in the sand thinking. Nothing unusual there.
Whether the EU needs an army is irelavent, if they believe they need one it is up to them and as we have said we won't actually join one, to suggest, that should there become a time, for what ever reason, we wouldn't become involved is very strange thinking to say the least.
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