15-03-2019, 11:59 AM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-37916395.htmlInteresting article in The Irish Independent (URL above) interesting in that it includes a statement by an Australian government senator setting out his view on what took place and an excellent summation of islam.
15-03-2019, 12:01 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by EZ Rider
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I'm thinking of my family and friends and all New Zealanders at this awful time. I think of South Island as my second home.
How sad that anybody would take another's life just because they follow a different religion
15-03-2019, 12:14 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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So they are fanatics and violent according to him, all they seem guilty of to me is being different to him and praying. He is an intolerant man who is blaming the victims. Nasty.
His analysis of Islam certainly can not be denied.
But he is by no means the first person to tell it like it is.
Churchill in his book "The River War" spelled it out as he saw it ---- and as it is.
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
It's a shame what he discovered has seemingly been forgotten.
15-03-2019, 12:43 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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The statement by Fraser Anning does categorically NOT claim that Muslims are fanatics though devout activists is a better term but that it is as a result of the devout and observant entering NZ is the root cause of what took place.His analysis of Islam certainly can not be denied.
But he is by no means the first person to tell it like it is.
Churchill in his book "The River War" spelled it out as he saw it ---- and as it is.
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
It's a shame what he discovered has seemingly been forgotten.
I don't why people get carried away about Churchill; he couldn't even read maps correctly and caused the massacres on the Turkey shores through this inability! He also walked out on HK and Singapore during WWII
15-03-2019, 12:50 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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We are more educated these days or some of us are. In churchill's time people thought black people had smaller brains. Not exactly well educated about many things back then.
This does not mean that there is any race of übermensch or üntermensh, but it does mean that some societies and/or environments are better suited to different races.
But what Churchill wrote was not about Schwartzers, it was about Islam and its affect on its votaries.
15-03-2019, 12:53 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by gumbud
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the crazed gunman was not a Kiwi he was an immigrant ozzie who was cowardice enough to leave his own country and commit this crime in a host country that willingly allows him entry - some thanks heh? I don't why people get carried away about Churchill; he couldn't even read maps correctly and caused the massacres on the Turkey shores through this inability! He also walked out on HK and Singapore during WWII
15-03-2019, 12:59 PM
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Re: Churchill NZ under lockdown!
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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I'm no fan of Churchill, not by a country mile, but he was writing about his experience and making observations on what he saw.
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