22-01-2019, 11:55 AM
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Re: Leavers and Remainers, A Call For Unity?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Not sure why you say that. It could go both ways as remain voters are totally sick of previously unknown MPs harping on about a hard brexit and no deal. More youngsters are now of voting age so i predict just as much division in Parliament as there is today. Still that is as it should be. We don't vote people in to buddy up with each other like nodding dogs but to challenge the status quo.
What I'm having difficulty to understand is why we need a second referendum on Mays deal anyway as parliament have already rejected it and, besides, can any remainers tell me what the problem is that a second referendum is supposed to fix ?
22-01-2019, 12:58 PM
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Re: Leavers and Remainers, A Call For Unity?
Originally Posted by Bread
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I doubt there is a majority for a second referendum, revoking A50 or postponing it. According to one of the polls I read today (I forget which one) a no-deal Brexit is more popular than anything else - including Mays deal.What I'm having difficulty to understand is why we need a second referendum on Mays deal anyway as parliament have already rejected it and, besides, can any remainers tell me what the problem is that a second referendum is supposed to fix ?
I want them to delay or revoke article50 and take time to get a deal or plan that is agreed by all. The trouble is that nobody can presently agree on a way forward. I was resigned to leave but the current situation is nuts. If they are not agreed then they have to buy more time without compromising the economy or welfare of citizens.
22-01-2019, 02:29 PM
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Re: Leavers and Remainers, A Call For Unity?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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I don't want a second referendum and I don't think parliament should delegate their responsibility to voters. That's the lazy way out for them. I want them to delay or revoke article50 and take time to get a deal or plan that is agreed by all. The trouble is that nobody can presently agree on a way forward. I was resigned to leave but the current situation is nuts. If they are not agreed then they have to buy more time without compromising the economy or welfare of citizens.
Saying that, if we started again, we would only end up back where we are now. It's Parliament to blame for the mess and Theresa May trying to keep everyone happy.
I still prefer leaving on 29th March with no strings attached, trading with the EU in the same way as we will be trading will all other 3rd countries in the world.
22-01-2019, 03:09 PM
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Re: Leavers and Remainers, A Call For Unity?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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I want them to delay or revoke article50 and take time to get a deal or plan that is agreed by all. .
We SHOULD absolutely just drop out on 29th March. We voted to Leave and if a Withdrawal Deal can not be agreed then dropping out is the legitimate result according to the EU Treaties.
It should happen.
It needs to happen.
But it won't happen
because the EU has no intention whatsoever of allowing us to Leave and will continue to control our government and politicians in order to obstruct our democratic decision to Leave.
Shameful in every aspect. Massively dictatorial. The end of democracy.
But they don't care. Dictators just do what they want to do regardless. . . until they are eventually deposed.
22-01-2019, 03:31 PM
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Re: Leavers and Remainers, A Call For Unity?
Originally Posted by Realist
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Well you will get your wish regarding an extension to Article 50 unquestionably. It was so utterly predictable. Buying more and more time to keep plugging away at the populous with this pathetic colossal social media campaign attempting to sway people to Stay rather than Leave so that they can, as soon as the moment is deemed right, hold that 2nd referendum.We SHOULD absolutely just drop out on 29th March. We voted to Leave and if a Withdrawal Deal can not be agreed then dropping out is the legitimate result according to the EU Treaties.
It should happen.
It needs to happen.
But it won't happen
because the EU has no intention whatsoever of allowing us to Leave and will continue to control our government and politicians in order to obstruct our democratic decision to Leave.
Shameful in every aspect. Massively dictatorial. The end of democracy.
But they don't care. Dictators just do what they want to do regardless. . . until they are eventually deposed.
We haven't implemented the first referendum yet never mind having a second one FFS
22-01-2019, 03:53 PM
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Re: Leavers and Remainers, A Call For Unity?
Originally Posted by Bread
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I still prefer leaving on 29th March with no strings attached, trading with the EU in the same way as we will be trading will all other 3rd countries in the world.
Sod the politicians, the businesses of the EU will still want to trade with us.
After all, we buy more from them than they from us.
22-01-2019, 03:58 PM
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Re: Leavers and Remainers, A Call For Unity?
Originally Posted by Realist
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Well you will get your wish regarding an extension to Article 50 unquestionably. It was so utterly predictable. Buying more and more time to keep plugging away at the populous with this pathetic colossal social media campaign attempting to sway people to Stay rather than Leave so that they can, as soon as the moment is deemed right, hold that 2nd referendum.We SHOULD absolutely just drop out on 29th March. We voted to Leave and if a Withdrawal Deal can not be agreed then dropping out is the legitimate result according to the EU Treaties.
It should happen.
It needs to happen.
But it won't happen
because the EU has no intention whatsoever of allowing us to Leave and will continue to control our government and politicians in order to obstruct our democratic decision to Leave.
Shameful in every aspect. Massively dictatorial. The end of democracy.
But they don't care. Dictators just do what they want to do regardless. . . until they are eventually deposed.
However, we must remember that the EU could not dictate to us without our own MPs being complicit.
22-01-2019, 05:39 PM
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Re: Leavers and Remainers, A Call For Unity?
Originally Posted by JBR
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I'm sure you're right.However, we must remember that the EU could not dictate to us without our own MPs being complicit.
There are 2 masonic lodges WITHIN Westminster itself FFS.
Isn't it time we uncovered who is really running the show, who is really giving the orders ? One thing is certain we don't get to vote for them. We don't get any input to their policies which remain hidden, except of course for the long standing aim to create a single world government run by them.
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