24-06-2019, 07:54 PM
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Re: Gatt 24
Originally Posted by Realist
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You still seem to be clinging to the notion that "they" the European Commission and all its facile bureaucrats is the same "they" as the actual member states. They very much are not the same.Whilst Druncker & Co might not give a flying sh*t their problem is that the member states DO very much care. France, Germany etc will be absolutely livid if they can't sell their goods to the UK and there is no question that this "they" very much do need us more than we need them.
In fact if the EU try stopping them selling goods to the UK after a "No deal" exit I fully expect there to be a widespread EU revolution. DExit and ITaLeave won't be far away I'm sure.
So by p*ssing about Druncker & Co simply increase the wrath of the member states and that will be the final nail in the EU coffin.
Bring it on !
It has been Brexiteers who have been advocating leaving and trading on WTO terms. Now it seems that reality is sinking in and they are clinging to the hope of GAT24 and no tariffs.
The reality is that most of those who buy German cars will carry in buying them and unless we impose a high tariff on imported cars
Unless we start growing more, where else will we source Fresh products such as salad crops and cut flowers ?
If there’s any longer than short term negative effect of a No deal Brexit well Johnson may we’ll find out that the people are fickle and the backlash could destroy him along with it the Conservatives and any other Brexit supporting party
Contrary to what you hypothesise the UK Brexit debacle seems to be having the opposite effect
24-06-2019, 09:55 PM
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Re: Gatt 24
Originally Posted by Banchory
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WTO tariffs don’t stop people buying or sellingIt has been Brexiteers who have been advocating leaving and trading on WTO terms. Now it seems that reality is sinking in and they are clinging to the hope of GAT24 and no tariffs.
The reality is that most of those who buy German cars will carry in buying them and unless we impose a high tariff on imported cars
Unless we start growing more, where else will we source Fresh products such as salad crops and cut flowers ?
If there’s any longer than short term negative effect of a No deal Brexit well Johnson may we’ll find out that the people are fickle and the backlash could destroy him along with it the Conservatives and any other Brexit supporting party
Contrary to what you hypothesise the UK Brexit debacle seems to be having the opposite effect
We control our own tarrifs
25-06-2019, 08:09 AM
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Re: Gatt 24
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Yes we will, but we don’t control EU tariffs which are already set
And so what ?
We are subject to the common external tarrif from all countries outside the EU anyway (except those with FTA). If other countries lower their tarrifs by forming trade agreements with us then we will buy from them instead... its basic economics.
The EU would be in big trouble if that happened. They should manufacture over here, employ British people and in return take advantage of our trade agreements and pay the lowest rate of corporation tax in Europe.
25-06-2019, 06:38 PM
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Re: Gatt 24
Originally Posted by Bread
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And so what ? We are subject to the common external tarrif from all countries outside the EU anyway (except those with FTA). If other countries lower their tarrifs by forming trade agreements with us then we will buy from them instead... its basic economics.
The EU would be in big trouble if that happened. They should manufacture over here, employ British people and in return take advantage of our trade agreements and pay the lowest rate of corporation tax in Europe.
25-06-2019, 06:55 PM
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Re: Gatt 24
Originally Posted by Banchory
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They might well take advantage of a weakened pound and buy up some of our companies but they would need to be in Hungary to take advantage of the lowest corporation tax. And as far as being in big trouble there are many reasons why we buy goods from European countries ranging from quality brands to logistical convenience. Looking further afield may not always be practical.
Why would the EU buy UK companies because of the weak pound ? The pound has been slowly devalued because it was too high in the first place. If anything, EU countries will start moving here.
How is EU democracy in Hungary ?
26-06-2019, 06:00 AM
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Re: Gatt 24
Originally Posted by Bread
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And so what ? We are subject to the common external tarrif from all countries outside the EU anyway (except those with FTA). If other countries lower their tarrifs by forming trade agreements with us then we will buy from them instead... its basic economics.
The EU would be in big trouble if that happened. They should manufacture over here, employ British people and in return take advantage of our trade agreements and pay the lowest rate of corporation tax in Europe.
Trade Agreements take years.
The EU is the biggest trading block in the world.
Why on earth should EU Manufacturers leave the EU and disadvantage themselves on the vague promise that at some time in the future we may have negotiated advantageous Trade Deals?
Size matters in Trade Deals, the bigger the market, the better deal you can negotiate.
We have got absolutely nowhere with Japan and India.
The Trade Deal we have just agreed with Switzerland is on worse terms than the one we had with them as part of the EU.
All trade deals involve country of origin certificates, minimum percentages of finished goods must be produced in the Country or Trade Block which is party to the FTA.
When we leave the EU we become a Third Country, this is already affecting some companies in the West Midlands who produce car parts.
There has to be a sense of reality here.
It will be some time before we can negotiate Trade Deals to replace those we have as part of the EU.
26-06-2019, 07:22 AM
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Re: Gatt 24
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiTrade Agreements take years.
The EU is the biggest trading block in the world.
Why on earth should EU Manufacturers leave the EU and disadvantage themselves on the vague promise that at some time in the future we may have negotiated advantageous Trade Deals?
Size matters in Trade Deals, the bigger the market, the better deal you can negotiate.
We have got absolutely nowhere with Japan and India.
The Trade Deal we have just agreed with Switzerland is on worse terms than the one we had with them as part of the EU.
All trade deals involve country of origin certificates, minimum percentages of finished goods must be produced in the Country or Trade Block which is party to the FTA.
When we leave the EU we become a Third Country, this is already affecting some companies in the West Midlands who produce car parts.
There has to be a sense of reality here.
It will be some time before we can negotiate Trade Deals to replace those we have as part of the EU.
We are not permitted to sign trade deals at present as per our EU membership manacles.
The car industry , or any individual industry, should not cloud our ultimate goal.
Tbh Car Manufacturers have far too much clout and influence on our society.
Why do you think we don't build more rail infrastructure ( outside London bubble), why do you think we haven't invested more in electric transport infrastructure.?.....The car industry lobby!!!
26-06-2019, 08:33 AM
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Re: Gatt 24
Originally Posted by Moscow
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It's not right to say we have got nowhere with Japan and India.We are not permitted to sign trade deals at present as per our EU membership manacles.
The car industry , or any individual industry, should not cloud our ultimate goal.
Tbh Car Manufacturers have far too much clout and influence on our society.
Why do you think we don't build more rail infrastructure ( outside London bubble), why do you think we haven't invested more in electric transport infrastructure.?.....The car industry lobby!!!
India is seeking increased immigration / work visas and is more interested in a trade agreement with the EU once the UK (which is blocking the agreement) is out of the way
As far Rail investment, the only bubble is the one you’re living in if you think investment has only been in the London area
There has been massive investment in all the regions and the latest 5 year plan is no different
There is also plenty of investment and incentives in electric transport infrastructure. Whether we produce enough power to go all electric is debatable so investment and innovation is needed in that area
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