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12-10-2020, 12:32 PM
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Re: Post-Covid Brain fog

Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
Thanks Swim...

Of course I wouldn't Swim....

But I don't want to get in a war of; 'My scientist is better than your scientist'..
Sometimes we abandon common sense after listening to the very convincing theories and forecasts of the latest professor on the news or Internet.

I still maintain that Covid can be compared to the flu virus.
Not HIV which has to enter the circulation...
Not Hepatitis which has to be ingested...
But Flu. Airborne contamination just like covid....And responsible for a similar number of fatalities over the years.

January.......62770
February.....43587
March.........43700
April...........79251
May............67295
June...........39003
July............44490
August........37000
September...36707

Total deaths.....453,803

These figures represent the number of deaths occurring in the UK each month in 2020. (ONS)
January (pre Covid) has the third highest death rate in the year so far despite Covid in April and May.
Deaths from Flu, and natural causes, mainly in the aged. Winter usually takes its toll of the elderly, and hospitals are always packed to the rafters at this time of year....
I'd put a caveat on that with its not entirely known just when covid started impacting,my youngest was bed ridden back in January for a fortnight,it wasn't until March when symptoms of covid were known that she and no doubt others questioned whether she had covid rather than flu.

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12-10-2020, 12:42 PM
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Re: Post-Covid Brain fog

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
But your graphs are only superimposing covid figures onto an allready
established death rate Omah !
Taken by themselves they would be lower than for flu? *
I believe the higher UK death rate initially was down to our population
having a higher proportion of old and also sickly individuals than
most other countries due to our NHS and welfare systems being more
highly developed than theirs?? Leading to these sickly individuals
succumbing very early in the epidemic ?As time goes on the death
rate should decline as the sickly die off and the general population
becomes healthier as a result ??
I think we will be stuck with covid for some time yet even if we get
a vaccine, and will end up being in the same boat as flu in having
yearly vaccinations? Although this cannot prevent some deaths from
occurring !!

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* https://assets.publishing.service.go...oom=100,53,114

Mortality Surveillance

Excess all-cause mortality surveillance



You decide .....
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12-10-2020, 01:19 PM
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You know it's kind of sad to be reduced to dickering over death rates ....

All I said was ... that I believe that sooner or later, the government will be forced to adopt the herd immunity approach, with or without a vaccine at the ready .... for the simple reason that they can't keep dishing out furlough, grants and loans hand over fist.
I shudder to think how the government intend to claw it back.
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12-10-2020, 01:32 PM
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You know it's kind of sad to be reduced to dickering over death rates ....

Indeed it is - the thread is about Post-Covid symptoms but some posters persist in asserting that COVID-19 is no worse than flu and using death as a measure, even though COVID-related deaths have declined dramatically and the current issues are the rocketing number of positive cases, the probable number of hospitalisations and the possible number of Post-Covid patients.
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12-10-2020, 01:50 PM
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Covid might or might not be as bad as flu ... in real percentage terms though very few people have died, and it certainly is a lot less deadly than the 1918 flu pandemic. There's a helluva lot of scaremongering going on.

It's all well and good to draw attention to the death rate .... or to Long Covid .... but the measures to combat it are actually proving more costly than the damage the virus is doing.

Today we hear that ...
In one county they are warning that none emergency surgical operations will be on a 2 year waiting list because of Covid.

We hear that lung cancer referrals are down 50% because people aren't going to the doctors as they're assuming pains in the chest, shortness of breath are caused by covid and are self isolating instead of seeking medical advice.

We hear that women over 70 are not been offered breast screening .. due to, you've guessed .... covid.

We hear that the North is in outcry over further furlough, that workers and owners alike are worried about redundancy and business closures.

It makes you wonder whether life will ever return to normal.
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12-10-2020, 03:22 PM
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Re: Post-Covid Brain fog

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Ive been suffering from this for at least the last 4yrs Annie !!
And to my knowledge l have never been been infected with the
covid virus ! I put my symptons down to some form of dementia as
it seems to be getting more noticeable over time and is now affecting
not only my memory, but my hearing and sight also !!
However, l am stil functiong allthough l sometimes walk past people
without seeing them??
So maybe some of the people who believe they have been affected
by the virus are only in the same situation as me really ??

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Dementia doesn't happen overnight. This is more like the type of cognitive impairment following concussion aneurysm or vascular / stroke. The effects of a block of oxygen to the brain plus stroke risk.

In fact there is also a blood clot risk.

On a separate topic Michael Rosen who was seriously ill with covid was describing all this on tv today. He also mentioned fellow patients who had toes amputated. Counted himself lucky as although his toes are numb he still has them. It took him 3 weeks to learn to walk again.
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12-10-2020, 05:06 PM
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Re: Post-Covid Brain fog

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
Dementia doesn't happen overnight. This is more like the type of cognitive impairment following concussion aneurysm or vascular / stroke. The effects of a block of oxygen to the brain plus stroke risk.

In fact there is also a blood clot risk.

On a separate topic Michael Rosen who was seriously ill with covid was describing all this on tv today. He also mentioned fellow patients who had toes amputated. Counted himself lucky as although his toes are numb he still has them. It took him 3 weeks to learn to walk again.
So did mister Rosen get numb toes due to covid Annie? I doubt it?
More likely had that allready but being disabled by covid accellerated
the condition??
BTW your earlier paragraph describes my syptons exactly !! Even
down to the cause !
Clever girl !! 🙌🙌

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12-10-2020, 08:13 PM
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Re: Post-Covid Brain fog

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
So did mister Rosen get numb toes due to covid Annie? I doubt it?
More likely had that allready but being disabled by covid accellerated
the condition??
BTW your earlier paragraph describes my syptons exactly !! Even
down to the cause !
Clever girl !! 🙌🙌

Donkeyman! 😷😷
Hi DM he had it from Covid.

I've given three conditions that can lead to sudden cognitive impairment. Usually overnight. Viruses such as meningitis and herpes can also cause this to come on suddenly. Any inflammation of the brain. They would have ruled out covid had there been evidence of such conditions. I really don't understand why people don't believe this disease exists.
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12-10-2020, 09:54 PM
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Re: Post-Covid Brain fog

I posted on here about a bad virus I had in December last year, left me with vertigo and rib pains. Wasband #2 visited in November after trip to Japan via Hong Kong.

Younger daughter caught it then older one who was so ill she went into hospital, she suffers from asthma.

My CFS and fibromyalgia I've had for years was traced back to a viral infection, I had menigitis and pneumonia years before. I get brain fog sometimes, it's debilitating.

These things can last forever.
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12-10-2020, 11:12 PM
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TessA I had similar problems after having a severe anaphylactic shock which seemed to focus on my head more than anywhere. I was sick as a dog for months after and the doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong. Blood tests all fine etc.

I've had all sorts of unusual health problems since most notably some sort of injury when jogging which caused a severe headache which felt like my head would pop for several days. I felt a pulling on my neck at the time (I hadn't hydrated properly). I was on some antibiotics for a UTI, maybe wasn't a wise move to go jogging and I blame the meds tbh. Then brain fog. Overnight - bang just like that everything I had taken for granted became so difficult. Articulating, planning etc. I think it may have been one of the veins that goes to my brain tearing because of being weakened by the earlier anaphylactic shock, but by the time I had the MRI it was months after and I had pretty much physically recovered. I could no longer exercise, I had no joie de vivre, I lost my spark, I struggled with my highly demanding job. I'd collapse into bed after a day of work, I stopped socialising. I realised the other side of life. The life where illness takes over and you no longer have any hope. It was horrible.

Very much mimics dementia, but unlike dementia I regained my brain function and my memory works so much better than ten years ago when it happened. I now rarely have to go back to the previous room to remind myself why I left it. I hardly ever try to pick up a hot pan with my bare hands. Or put orange juice on my cornflakes. I don't struggle as much with too much text, although reading complex papers is not as easy as once it was. I no longer get the visual distortion I had for a year after. Or panic when I'm in a supermarket because there is too much chaos and noise. But it was a struggle for the first few years. You're never quite the same after something like that. So I really do understand what these people could be going through and it's not ageing (I was in my early forties). Amazing how much the brain and body can recover though. The trouble is you're trapped in a world that nobody else understands and you cannot communicate to others how you feel because to them you seem ok.
 
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