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19-07-2020, 11:19 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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Doesn't mean anything at all. High taxes are not necessarily an indicator of socialism, its just one of their principles.

For example, the USA also high taxes but it is far from socialist.

Norway also has a very small population and a lot of natural resources.
The UK has low taxes and austerity, it's just one of your principles.....
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20-07-2020, 03:41 AM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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The UK has low taxes and austerity, it's just one of your principles.....

We have less austerity than the EU - like the rest of the world our budgets are agreed in advance and on time, same as our covid rescue packages.

We also have our own centralised treasury and tax system unlike the EU which is why austerity is your only option to control your economies. Ask Spain, Ireland, Italy etc about austerity, they've had 10 years of it and its still nowhere near over... your still bailing out your banks.

Thats why so many businesses are moving out of the EU to the UK and why we see more foreign investment than the rest if the EU put together. Britain is not only a great place to do business its also a great place to live.

I suggest you do your homework before posting stuff.
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20-07-2020, 01:34 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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I suggest you do your homework before posting stuff.
I did. I took a look at your government's site of let's get going. You know what, everyone of the linked advises warns about the negative effects of brexit coming. Not one, not one, highlights a benefit of coming end of transition. According to your government you are in for a big load of shittt.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/m...eid=1bd09617ec
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20-07-2020, 02:16 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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I did. I took a look at your government's site of let's get going. You know what, everyone of the linked advises warns about the negative effects of brexit coming. Not one, not one, highlights a benefit of coming end of transition. According to your government you are in for a big load of shittt.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/m...eid=1bd09617ec


Second sentence ...

Today the government is launching a major new public information campaign, ‘The UK’s new start: let’s get going’. It will clearly set out the actions businesses and individuals need to take to prepare for the end of the transition period on 31 December 2020, and ensure they are ready to seize the opportunities that it will bring.

Like I said, you really need to read stuff before posting.
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20-07-2020, 03:02 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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Second sentence ...

Today the government is launching a major new public information campaign, ‘The UK’s new start: let’s get going’. It will clearly set out the actions businesses and individuals need to take to prepare for the end of the transition period on 31 December 2020, and ensure they are ready to seize the opportunities that it will bring.

Like I said, you really need to read stuff before posting.
It doesn't name any opportunities, because there aren't. As the WA will still be in force next year, businesses face serious problems because of brexit, boris will shrug them off and say: your own fault, you didn't grab the opportunities brexit provided.
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20-07-2020, 03:13 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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Second sentence ...

Today the government is launching a major new public information campaign, ‘The UK’s new start: let’s get going’. It will clearly set out the actions businesses and individuals need to take to prepare for the end of the transition period on 31 December 2020, and ensure they are ready to seize the opportunities that it will bring.

Like I said, you really need to read stuff before posting.
I followed the checks as a fisherman (this is a thread on fishing). The results:

Export fish through the right EU border inspection post and prepare the right documentation

It takes 3 days to get the documents

You risk your fish being delayed or rejected when they reach the EU if you do not have the right documents or go through the wrong border post.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exportin...no-brexit-deal
To export fish to the EU after 1 January 2021, you’ll need to follow the same rules that are currently in place for exports of fish to some non-EU countries. You’ll need to create:

an*export health certificate, except for direct landings of fresh fish in EU ports from UK-flagged fishing vesselsa*catch certificate*- you need to validate this and send it to your importer

You’ll need to follow customs and border inspection requirements. You may also need:

direct landing documentsa storage documenta processing statementCustoms requirements

You must comply with*HMRC guidance on customs requirements*for exporting to the EU.

These rules will apply to:

exports to the EU of fish caught by a UK flagged fishing vesselexports to the EU of fish imported from another country that have been stored or processed in the UKdirect landings in*EU ports*by a UK flagged fishing vesselSend fish to an EU border control post

You’ll need to send all consignments of fish and fishery products through an EU*border control post (BCP)*if the fish was both:

caught by a UK flagged vessellanded in the UK before being transported to the EU

Your EU importer must notify the*BCP*in advance of your arrival. Notification periods vary. Check with the*BCP*for more information.

Fishery products entering the EU via Calais or Coquelles must travel to the*BCP*at Boulogne-sur-Mer under a Common Transit Convention (CTC) declaration submitted up to 72 hours in advance of arrival. Lorries arriving in Calais or Coquelles will be directed to the green corridor to go to the Boulogne-sur-Mer*BCP, where checks will be carried out.

Check the HMRC guidance*to find out how to move your goods using the Common Transit Convention.

Get an export health certificate

You’ll need an export health certificate (EHC) for all exports of fish to the EU.*Find out how to get an*EHC.

All exports of fishery products will need to be dispatched from an UK approved food establishment that has been listed by the EU.*Find out how to become listed.

Send validated catch certificate to the importer

You must send the validated catch certificate to the importer so they can give them to the receiving country’s competent authority. You must do this for exports by:

sea: 72 hours before landingair and rail: 4 hours before arrivingroad: 2 hours before arrivingStorage document - for fish stored on the UK premises but not processed

If you’re exporting to the EU fish sourced from another country that have been stored on the UK premises for 12 hours or longer, but not processed in any way, you’ll need to create a storage document.

You must keep a copy of the catch certificate from the original consignment with the storage document.

Processing statement - for fish processed in the UK

If you’re exporting to the EU fish sourced from another country that has been processed in the UK, you’ll need to create a processing statement.

Include a copy of the catch certificate from the original consignment with the processing statement.

If you need help

If you need help with general questions you can contact the fish exports helpline.

The fish exports helpline
Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm
Telephone: 0330 159 1989
Find out about call charges

Composite products

Products that contain no meat but contain 50% or more processed fishery product will need to:

enter via a*BCP*and will be subject to veterinary checkshave an Export Health Certificate

Composite products where the fish makes up more than 20% of the content or uses tariff code 1604 and 1605 will need to be accompanied by a catch certificate.

Read the*Export composite food products to the EU after 1 January 2021*guide to find out the rules you’ll need to follow.

Direct landing documents

To land your catch from your UK flagged fishing vessel directly in the EU you’ll need to land in a North East Atlantic Fisheries Commission (NEAFC)*designated EU port.

Fishery enforcement officers may inspect your fish when you arrive. You’ll need to show them the catch certificate.

You’ll need to complete a:

prior notification formpre-landing declarationPrior notification form

If you’re landing in an EU member state with

exempt fisheries products only, you need to fill in a*prior notification for exempt fisheries product formall other fisheries products, or a combination of exempt and non-exempt products, you need to complete this*prior notification form

Regardless of which form you fill in, you must email them to your destination’s*designated EU port*before landing. You need to send it:

for frozen fish, at least 72 hours before landing - you can fill in the prior notification form before 1 January 2021 for any exports planned from 1 Januaryfor fresh fish, at least 4 hours before landingPre-landing declaration

You’ll need to fill in a*pre-landing declaration*and email it to your destination’s*designated EU port*4 hours before landing.

You’ll need to give details of the:

area fishedquantity of fish by species on board the vesselSpecial requirements for UK approved fishing vessels

Local Authority approved freezer, reefer or factory vessels that land frozen or processed fish directly into the EU will also require:

a Captain’s Certificate signed by the Captain who is authorised by*APHA*(Animal and Plant Health Agency) or*DAERA*(Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs)the fish to be landed into a Border Control Post (BCP) approved for the landed fishery product

‘Processing’ includes activities such as wrapping, mincing, freezing and filleting.

Non-food approved registered vessels that land fresh fish directly into the EU at a*NEAFC*designated port will not require an Export Health Certificate or need to pass through a*BCP. They will still be subject to any normal official controls within the port. ‘Fresh fish’ may have undergone primary production, which may include de-heading or gutting.

North East Atlantic Fisheries Commission (NEAFC) Port State Control forms

You’ll have to*register your fishing vessel*with*NEAFC. Once your vessel is registered, you’ll need to submit a*NEAFC*Port State Control form (PSC1 or PSC2) before landing.

Check with the*NEAFC*to find out how much notice you need to give. This will vary depending on the country you’re exporting to and how your product is presented.
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20-07-2020, 03:13 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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It doesn't name any opportunities, because there aren't. As the WA will still be in force next year, businesses face serious problems because of brexit, boris will shrug them off and say: your own fault, you didn't grab the opportunities brexit provided.
Why are you trying to re-write a government article ?

Its really weird.

And for the 32nd time, the WA ends on 31st December 2020. Your going to be bitterly embarrassed next year when your proved wrong (again). Of course we could do what Trump did and just tear it up, and I would seriously encourage our government to do this too. The EU are just wasting everyones time, as usual.

The opportunities of Brexit are well documented and since 2016 when we voted to leave and up to the point of COVID-19 we were out performing the 27 completely. We will most likely bounce back a lot quicker too - we are months ahead of the EU on providing financial recovery funding while the 27 bicker about who pays for what.

So, if you want to see the opportunities of Brexit don't just take my word for it - ask Unilever and Dutch Shell etc. They can explain it to you too.
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20-07-2020, 03:19 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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We have less austerity than the EU - like the rest of the world our budgets are agreed in advance and on time, same as our covid rescue packages.

We also have our own centralised treasury and tax system unlike the EU which is why austerity is your only option to control your economies. Ask Spain, Ireland, Italy etc about austerity, they've had 10 years of it and its still nowhere near over... your still bailing out your banks.

Thats why so many businesses are moving out of the EU to the UK and why we see more foreign investment than the rest if the EU put together. Britain is not only a great place to do business its also a great place to live.

I suggest you do your homework before posting stuff.
We were talking, socially separated of course, to our new neighbour this morning. She's relocated from Dublin and brought her business with her. Not only that but she said that many of her SME contacts are also either relocating or preparing to relocate over here because of possible future tax changes in the RoI. OK, these are not big businesses in the greater scheme of things but, it's more than a few quid less for the Irish exchequer in taxes lost.
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20-07-2020, 03:20 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
I followed the checks as a fisherman (this is a thread on fishing). The results:

Export fish through the right EU border inspection post and prepare the right documentation

It takes 3 days to get the documents

You risk your fish being delayed or rejected when they reach the EU if you do not have the right documents or go through the wrong border post.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exportin...no-brexit-deal
To export fish to the EU after 1 January 2021, you’ll need to follow the same rules that are currently in place for exports of fish to some non-EU countries. You’ll need to create:

an*export health certificate, except for direct landings of fresh fish in EU ports from UK-flagged fishing vesselsa*catch certificate*- you need to validate this and send it to your importer

You’ll need to follow customs and border inspection requirements. You may also need:

direct landing documentsa storage documenta processing statementCustoms requirements

You must comply with*HMRC guidance on customs requirements*for exporting to the EU.

These rules will apply to:

exports to the EU of fish caught by a UK flagged fishing vesselexports to the EU of fish imported from another country that have been stored or processed in the UKdirect landings in*EU ports*by a UK flagged fishing vesselSend fish to an EU border control post

You’ll need to send all consignments of fish and fishery products through an EU*border control post (BCP)*if the fish was both:

caught by a UK flagged vessellanded in the UK before being transported to the EU

Your EU importer must notify the*BCP*in advance of your arrival. Notification periods vary. Check with the*BCP*for more information.

Fishery products entering the EU via Calais or Coquelles must travel to the*BCP*at Boulogne-sur-Mer under a Common Transit Convention (CTC) declaration submitted up to 72 hours in advance of arrival. Lorries arriving in Calais or Coquelles will be directed to the green corridor to go to the Boulogne-sur-Mer*BCP, where checks will be carried out.

Check the HMRC guidance*to find out how to move your goods using the Common Transit Convention.

Get an export health certificate

You’ll need an export health certificate (EHC) for all exports of fish to the EU.*Find out how to get an*EHC.

All exports of fishery products will need to be dispatched from an UK approved food establishment that has been listed by the EU.*Find out how to become listed.

Send validated catch certificate to the importer

You must send the validated catch certificate to the importer so they can give them to the receiving country’s competent authority. You must do this for exports by:

sea: 72 hours before landingair and rail: 4 hours before arrivingroad: 2 hours before arrivingStorage document - for fish stored on the UK premises but not processed

If you’re exporting to the EU fish sourced from another country that have been stored on the UK premises for 12 hours or longer, but not processed in any way, you’ll need to create a storage document.

You must keep a copy of the catch certificate from the original consignment with the storage document.

Processing statement - for fish processed in the UK

If you’re exporting to the EU fish sourced from another country that has been processed in the UK, you’ll need to create a processing statement.

Include a copy of the catch certificate from the original consignment with the processing statement.

If you need help

If you need help with general questions you can contact the fish exports helpline.

The fish exports helpline
Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm
Telephone: 0330 159 1989
Find out about call charges

Composite products

Products that contain no meat but contain 50% or more processed fishery product will need to:

enter via a*BCP*and will be subject to veterinary checkshave an Export Health Certificate

Composite products where the fish makes up more than 20% of the content or uses tariff code 1604 and 1605 will need to be accompanied by a catch certificate.

Read the*Export composite food products to the EU after 1 January 2021*guide to find out the rules you’ll need to follow.

Direct landing documents

To land your catch from your UK flagged fishing vessel directly in the EU you’ll need to land in a North East Atlantic Fisheries Commission (NEAFC)*designated EU port.

Fishery enforcement officers may inspect your fish when you arrive. You’ll need to show them the catch certificate.

You’ll need to complete a:

prior notification formpre-landing declarationPrior notification form

If you’re landing in an EU member state with

exempt fisheries products only, you need to fill in a*prior notification for exempt fisheries product formall other fisheries products, or a combination of exempt and non-exempt products, you need to complete this*prior notification form

Regardless of which form you fill in, you must email them to your destination’s*designated EU port*before landing. You need to send it:

for frozen fish, at least 72 hours before landing - you can fill in the prior notification form before 1 January 2021 for any exports planned from 1 Januaryfor fresh fish, at least 4 hours before landingPre-landing declaration

You’ll need to fill in a*pre-landing declaration*and email it to your destination’s*designated EU port*4 hours before landing.

You’ll need to give details of the:

area fishedquantity of fish by species on board the vesselSpecial requirements for UK approved fishing vessels

Local Authority approved freezer, reefer or factory vessels that land frozen or processed fish directly into the EU will also require:

a Captain’s Certificate signed by the Captain who is authorised by*APHA*(Animal and Plant Health Agency) or*DAERA*(Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs)the fish to be landed into a Border Control Post (BCP) approved for the landed fishery product

‘Processing’ includes activities such as wrapping, mincing, freezing and filleting.

Non-food approved registered vessels that land fresh fish directly into the EU at a*NEAFC*designated port will not require an Export Health Certificate or need to pass through a*BCP. They will still be subject to any normal official controls within the port. ‘Fresh fish’ may have undergone primary production, which may include de-heading or gutting.

North East Atlantic Fisheries Commission (NEAFC) Port State Control forms

You’ll have to*register your fishing vessel*with*NEAFC. Once your vessel is registered, you’ll need to submit a*NEAFC*Port State Control form (PSC1 or PSC2) before landing.

Check with the*NEAFC*to find out how much notice you need to give. This will vary depending on the country you’re exporting to and how your product is presented.

We export fish to non-EU countries all the time, as does the EU.

I'm surprised this process is new to you.
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20-07-2020, 03:33 PM
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Re: Excellent News for Trade and Fisheries

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Why are you trying to re-write a government article ?

Its really weird.

And for the 32nd time, the WA ends on 31st December 2020. Your going to be bitterly embarrassed next year when your proved wrong (again). Of course we could do what Trump did and just tear it up, and I would seriously encourage our government to do this too. The EU are just wasting everyones time, as usual.

The opportunities of Brexit are well documented and since 2016 when we voted to leave and up to the point of COVID-19 we were out performing the 27 completely. We will most likely bounce back a lot quicker too - we are months ahead of the EU on providing financial recovery funding while the 27 bicker about who pays for what.

So, if you want to see the opportunities of Brexit don't just take my word for it - ask Unilever and Dutch Shell etc. They can explain it to you too.
Well, if the opportunities are that obvious, why doesn't the government set them out in their new program, along all the drawbacks? It would make for a more balanced approach. Now it is only doom and gloom, strongly resembling project fear.
 
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