Re: The Non-Conformance to Single Market Rules

That's how democracy works bread. Isn't it the same in the UK? Who was it that upheld the view the 48% had to accept the democratic vote outcome?

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The 48% had a choice and lost.

You didn't even get as far as a vote

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But bread, don't you know democratic principles can be applied at every level? In the case of the mff all leaders voted, the majority won. That's democracy too, dude.

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But you didn't get a vote and those that opposed it (the Frugal 4) ended up caving in under pressure.

There's no way back now - and that's the big difference between your country and sovereign nations like ours. If we don't like our leaders we can vote them out in 4 years - you can't get rid of your leaders and your just end up with new ones that they select.

That's not democracy Solasch, not even by your standard - you aren't even allowed referendums in the first place. You live in a union where the people never get heard.

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Your hatred of the EU is boiling your brain chappie. We, the netherlands, have elections every four yours, just like the UK do. If we are not satisfied with the performance of our leaders, they are sent packing.
Our government participates in a lot of organistions, the EU is only one of them. That relative insignificance makes that in the netherlands membership of the EU is not a hot topic. Membership of the uefa sometimes overshadows even covid.

Re: The Non-Conformance to Single Market Rules

In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refere...United_Kingdom I found:

"As of 2018, only three national referendums have ever been held across the whole of the United Kingdom: in 1975, 2011 and most recently in 2016."

If this is true then UK had three referendums. That is better than none. The outcome of the latest one is still to be seen in 2021.

So the drawback of not having referendums may not be so huge. In Germany I am glad that we don't have referendums as it prevents idiotic decisions made by our 'idiots'.

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We don't have to wait until 2021 to see the result of the latest one. The result was declared very early on the morning of June 24th 2016. We all know the EU doesn't like referendums for the simple reason that they cannot control the result. But they do like interfering in them. Here in the UK we have just recently been discussing whether there was any involvement by Russia in the Brexit referendum with remainers believing there was (no evidence to support that view). What nobody seems to point out is just how much interference there was by the EU!

We also had the Irish PM on the Gaelic playing fields in west London urging Irish people living in the UK to vote remain. Of course the Irish know all about referendums.

Ireland

The first referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon held on 12 June 2008 was rejected by the Irish electorate, by a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%.

Obviously the EU didn't like this result and Ireland was told to go back and vote again.

The second referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon held on 2 October 2009 and the proposal was approved by 67.1% to 32.9%.

Denmark

"The Danish referendum on the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe was a planned referendum to be held on 27 September 2005, that would have put the proposed Constitution to the voters of Denmark for ratification. However, after voters voted down the Constitution in both the French and Dutch referendums before the Danish vote could take place, Danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen indicated that the referendum would be cancelled. On April 24, 2008 the Danish parliament ratified the Treaty's successor, the Treaty of Lisbon, without a referendum".

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Don't forget Obama interfering in the EU Referendum in 2016 by saying that the UK would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal etc.

Then there was the accusations over Aaron Banks colluding with Russia to try and influence the leave vote, only to find that there was no such interference and the whole thing was thrown out of court with no further action to be taken.

Look what happened to Darren Grimes and the accusations of him acting illegally over funding for the leave campaign - again, thrown out of court.

Gina Miller was sponsored by hundreds of thousands of pounds (around £400K) by George Soros - a non-UK resident and someone with no business presence here - no charges were made.

The Remain campaign who spent years attacking the 350 Million claim on the red bus as a "lie", who were found to have no case as the 350 million a week was actually a lower figure than we actually send (certainly so if you include all the rest of the off-book payments we make). No apologies.

Then there is the BBC - the unbiased broadcaster who deliberately tried to influence the vote in favour of remain by pumping out propaganda day in day out in forced payments by pensioners and the British public.

Remember George Osborne - he said even if we vote leave, the day after we will see the pound crash, the economy implode and up to 800,000 people out of work. It never happened.

Then there is the IMF - who repeated the doom and gloom of Osbourne. (Incidentally, the last time they said that, it was to warn us if we dared to leave the ERM - we did and nothing happened. Interestingly enough I think it was Christine Lagarde the convicted criminal now running the ECB who said it).

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Yes, and on and on it goes. Osborne also said property prices would plummet by 17%. Thanks for reminding me. So much interference I had forgotten half of it.

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Hi

We are still i Transition, so no effects fully known as yet.

As regards compliance, once again we are idiots.

The Cheese Directive, made for good reason, Listeria.

A very different approach here in the UK to others.

We made a huge raft of regulation and charged our cheese producers to register, closing many small ones down.

France registered all it's producers for free and did not charge for testing or Inspection.

They appointed 2 Inspectors for the whole of France, thus complying with the Rules.

A once in 40 years inspection regime.

We are not very business friendly.

The French solved their problem by random testing at point of sale, free of charge and shutting down those who failed.

We inflicted huge costs on all our producers.

We need a Radical change in the way we operate.

I can give you many other examples of how stupid we are.