07-08-2020, 03:22 PM
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Re: Priti Patel - All Mouth And No Trousers!
Originally Posted by Bread
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He should speak to Spain about rules and regs and how the EU blatantly ignore Spanish navy vessels deliberately trespassing into British Gibraltar territorial waters in direct breach of the Treaty of Utrecht. They've done it 90 times at least so far this year, they sit there and then run away when the UK navy vessels steam out to intercept them.
07-08-2020, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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A couple of practice rounds across the bow might deter them don't you think?
07-08-2020, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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I would do more than that, I'd tow their ship back to port and scupper it.
07-08-2020, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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From what you said about them running away, wouldn't that mean us having to enter Spanish waters?
Chasing after criminals seems perfectly OK to me
07-08-2020, 05:38 PM
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Swimmy, with respect, you keep cropping up with that same answer, but if it is so, why hasn't Priti done it? She must surely know how foolish she is being made to look by her ineptitude in dealing with the channel hoppers, plus being made to look a complete idiot by the French (which itself takes some doing!)Yet, you never explain the reasoning WHY our government could do so but choose not to? Where did you learn that we could just return them from whence they came? and if so, why is Priti having meetings with her countpart (sigh!) trying to get them to agree to take them back if what you say is correct?
07-08-2020, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bread
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While we are bound to the WA there is little we can do. January 1st is another matter
Oh bread! Please go tell ian duncan smith about the withdrawal agreement and 1 january 2021. The poor man thinks that due to the WA the UK has to pay the EU till 2040. Please help him out of that misery and explain how matters really stand!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9653966.html
07-08-2020, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't there something in the EU rulebook, (perhaps part of Dublin agreement) that stipulated that when immigrants from outside the EU entered the first EU state, they had to register with that same country? If this is so, why haven't they? I appreciate you have free movement, but I didn't think it was for any non-EU member as well. If it isn't the case, then surely by you allowing anyone to enter through your open borders is leaving Europe (and us) wide open to terrorists.Which is it?
The*Dublin Regulation*establishes the Member State responsible for the examination of the asylum application. The criteria for establishing responsibility run, in hierarchical order, from family considerations, to recent possession of visa or residence permit in a Member State, to whether the applicant has entered EU irregularly, or regularly. https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/wh...-applicants_en
That applies only in those cases where a migrant seeks refuge in an EU member state. Based on the 1951 geneva convention they can, but need not do that. They can travel on to the good old britain and apply there.
During the transition period the UK is treated as a member, which entitles them to send back refugee seekers to the country of entry. After 31 december 2020 that ends. So if a refugee enters greece, spain, italy etc and expresses the wish to travel to britain, we put them on a plane to heathrow and wish them luck.
07-08-2020, 05:59 PM
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What is especially galling is that we are able to find out how many channel hoppers are coming into the UK, but try finding out the figures for how many have been returned!!All you will be told is...''the Government is returning those not entitled to be in this Country"
It would also help if the Lefty-run Refugee Charities would keep their snouts out of the mix too by not making political statements and concentrate more on the job they are meant to be doing with donations paid by British taxpayers.
To them, every single one of them is a refugee and entitled to claim asylum. Not at all helpful when it is well known that a high percentage of those young men are simply seeking a new life. Forget of course that each one of those channel hoppers that convinces that they are a refugee, costs the British taxpayer between £4,255 and £7,820 per year through the use of our public services such as housing, health, education and welfare payments.
All the time, our Border force seems to be in a permanent state of paralysis!0
As I say, Priti better get off her tushtie.and sort this out. The time for fine words (or as Shropshire folk say...BS.... is fast approaching. She will need to prove herself capable of doing the job before she is pushed out.
07-08-2020, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Swimmy, with respect, you keep cropping up with that same answer, but if it is so, why hasn't Priti done it? She must surely know how foolish she is being made to look by her ineptitude in dealing with the channel hoppers, plus being made to look a complete idiot by the French (which itself takes some doing!)Yet, you never explain the reasoning WHY our government could do so but choose not to? Where did you learn that we could just return them from whence they came? and if so, why is Priti having meetings with her countpart (sigh!) trying to get them to agree to take them back if what you say is correct?
In 2018 the UK and France agreed the*Sandhurst Treaty, in which the UK committed to spend €50 million to ‘improve security’ and ‘reduce illegal migration flows’ towards northern French ports, amongst other measures.
Responding to a written question, then Immigration Minister Caroline Nokes provided*further information:*
“As part of the Sandhurst Treaty, signed by the UK and France in January 2018, we have allocated £3.6 million to fund the development of the Dublin process to support transfers of eligible children to the UK (including training for those working with unaccompanied children, family tracing and targeted information campaigns).
“We are also funding access to the French asylum accommodation service, the provision of health services, psychological and legal support as well as the cost of transporting asylum seekers from reception centres to locations where their asylum claims are considered.”
A*joint action plan*was also agreed in January 2019 to specifically address the issue of small boat crossings. It included over £6 million investment in new security equipment, increased CCTV coverage of beaches and ports and a mutual commitment to conduct returns of migrants under international and domestic laws.
An ‘enhanced action plan’ was agreed on 15 October 2019. It aims to halve the number of migrants attempting the crossing from 300 in August to 150 during October, and ultimately for ‘attempts to cross the Channel in small boat to be an infrequent phenomenon by Spring 2020.’ The measures announced included:
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