Re: Is anyone bothering with the election?
Originally Posted by Tedc
Seems to me that the main election issue is:-
Do you want to leave the EU?
Nope that was the Referendum issue.
The election issue is selecting a government that will respect that referendum result and properly take us out of the EU. Sadly there does not exist one Our political system has long since been infiltrated and subverted by operatives who are serving the EU rather than the British people. Common Purpose, freemasonry etc etc.
There is no mainstream political party that will remove us from the EU except Farage's BrExit party and since that voting option has been removed from people in over 300 constituencies then it is impossible to achieve a BrExit Party government. Thus the election has already been rigged from the outset. The only parties we are permitted to vote for are the Establishment Parties that will ensure we Remain in the EU.
This is pure dictatorship running a farcical sham democracy.
Originally Posted by Tedc
If the answer is yes, then there is only one party offering it as an option - however bad the deal may seem, it is the only offer, and could be fixed once out.
You don't mention the party here but I assume you are referring to the Tories as you mention a "deal".
You need to be extremely clear Ted and understand that "deal". It is May's disastrous "surrender" deal in all but 5%. It DOES NOT take us out of the EU at all. It leaves us in and still having to abide by EU rules and it also leaves us under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
It is nothing but a "pretend we have left" deal that doesn't see us leave at all and which paves the way for the UK to officially "re-join" in a few years time.
That's why it is referred to as BRINO, BrExit In Name Only.
There will be absolutely NO WAY to change things once that deal is put through parliament. We would be in a far worse situation than we are now. We would be in the EU and ECJ and have NO VOTE and NO VETO on any EU changes. So no, we patently couldn't do anything once this awful deal is passed through.
What would actually happen is the EU would change all manner of rules, including the terms of Article 50 such that it was nigh on impossible for any member state to ever leave and there would be nothing at all we could do about it. We would then in a handful of years time be brought back into the EU (by another EU serving parliament) and find ourselves totally and irrevocably shackled.
We would end up HAVING to join the disastrous Eurozone and doubtless the Schengen Agreement too.
This is all part of their grand plan.
You clearly need to go and read the terms of the "deal" you refer too. Equally you need to read the Lisbon Treaty to see the awful things this country has been signed up to.
You are going to lose your ability to even vote in UK elections because they won't exist. Neither will our Westminster. You will only be allowed to vote at a European level. You will only be allowed to vote for European Level Political Parties like :
- The European People's Party (EPP)
- The Party of European Socialists (PES)
- The Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE)
- The European Green Party (EGP)
- The Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists (AECR)
and so on
Do you seriously think you are going to be able to effect any meaningful changes to the affairs of Britain (like schools, NHS, railways etc) by voting for European parties????
All of this is mandated in the Lisbon Treaty which I suspect you haven't read. Tony BLiar
signed us up to all this without giving the people any choice or vote in the matter.
Our country has been taken over by fraudulent politicians who are servants of the EU and wider bodies and secret societies.
Our sovereignty is being destroyed as is our nationality.
They are flooding our country with migrants who in the fullness of time will be given a vote thus ensuring that they can steer the results of future elections.
They are building a "One World Government" and creating Orwell's 1984 dystopian federal state. A state run by unelected dictators who can't be removed. A state that removes our most fundamental rights and freedoms like "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" and so on. This is a very serious time in our history.
Voting for Boris will result in the disastrous "May" deal going through and that will see the UK made totally submissive to the EU, game over.
Boris had a real chance to demonstrate the genuineness of his strong BrExit rhetoric. He was challenged by Farage to ditch the disastrous May deal.
Boris refused to do so
Thereby are his real intentions laid clear and bare before the electorate.
Boris is just the next EU stooge politician furthering their agendas. He is no different to May in this respect. He says what BrExiteers want to hear, but regardless, his intention is to push the awful "May deal" through parliament.
Had he consented to ditch that deal totally and fight for a real Exit from the EU he would have won this election with a landslide majority. Sadly he has not done that.
We have no choice therefore but to vote for those opposing the Tories in whatever constituency we live in as unpalatable as that is.
It would be a disaster for Boris to get a majority because that would mean he will present for the fourth time the May Deal and it would then get passed through. It has already been rejected firmly 3 times by the existing parliament so Boris's only tack is to get a new parliament that WILL vote it through. Then it is game over for Britain.
The electorate SHOULD have had the freedom to vote for the BrExit Party but the Establishment have removed that option thereby rigging the election.
Now we will have to simply vote for the most likely party to beat the Tories in our constituencies in order that we can get a hung parliament.
Even then it's no guarantee that the subsequent coalition wouldn't still vote through May's awful deal.
We are in a dire situation, betrayed from all sides by the secret society forces working in government.
The election has been totally rigged. We can not vote for the party that would take us out of the EU.
Democracy is now dead and has been replaced with outright dictatorship.
Soon enough you & I won't even be allowed to have these kind of open conversations on the internet.