08-10-2018, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pug
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JBR,you ought to take a leisurely stroll through the southern part of Italy...the part most holidaymakers and tourists don't see...and look at the row-after-row of derelict factories,workshops and warehouses-all kaput,since Italy joined. This isn't just fanciful-it's the next bone of contention and the reason for the turmoil in Italy's government atm.
08-10-2018, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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hmm... this is not a good point at all Solasch. Britain pays in far more than we get out.
What exactly DO we get in return for all the money we pay in?
08-10-2018, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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hmm... this is not a good point at all Solasch. Britain pays in far more than we get out.
It's called solidarity, of which all countries benefit. Not only in a strict financial manner.
08-10-2018, 11:32 PM
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To put it a little in perspective: UK pays approx. 12 billion/year and receives approx. 7 billion/year. A net-payer of 5 billion/year.The annual budget of the UK in 2017 was 769 billion. The net payment to the EU is 0.7% of the money your government spents each year.
09-10-2018, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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To think that british productivity is even less than the italian (at least, in the last decades). Thank god that derelict factories and warehouses in england are called cultural heritage. Restored with substantial grants from the EU.
In the UK we have tendency to spread the wealth creation across higher numbers of people rather than throw them on the scrap heap.
It's why employment is so high and why unemployment so low.
Most Europeans prefer the UK model which is why they head this way in droves.
Youth unemployment figures in parts of the continental EU is 51% . For those people the EU is NOT working...literally
And yet you think that's alright? Bizarre !
09-10-2018, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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To put it a little in perspective: UK pays approx. 12 billion/year and receives approx. 7 billion/year. A net-payer of 5 billion/year.The annual budget of the UK in 2017 was 769 billion. The net payment to the EU is 0.7% of the money your government spents each year.
Anyway, You have totally missed the point.
It isn't just about the money
It's about not being in synch with the Franco/German/Globalist scheme to create a European superpower that doesn't respect our Anglo sensibilities.
Germany/France/Belgium have resented the USA/UK dominance of Western culture /politics/ commerce since WW2 and the EU is their way to wrest back control.
If you can't even consider that basic concept in your reasoning you will never understand the majority British mindset.
The EU works for the continentals and little nations that are frightened of their bigger neighbours but Britain is not in that category
09-10-2018, 08:35 AM
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When you've finished squabbling and hurling abuse at each other! Can any of you address a genuine concern?With all this talk about a new Cold War with Russia, how much support will we get from Europe if we become a prime target for attacks, cyber or otherwise?
It seems strange that things are happening just as we're about to be on our own with little protection as our defences are depleted.
No need to be sarcastic or call me names, just answer please.
09-10-2018, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Yes, a very important reason why we should leave.What exactly DO we get in return for all the money we pay in?
So it comes back to our own fault as is the case with many of the problems we are blaming the EU for. How can we change that after Brexit?
09-10-2018, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TessA
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When you've finished squabbling and hurling abuse at each other! Can any of you address a genuine concern?With all this talk about a new Cold War with Russia, how much support will we get from Europe if we become a prime target for attacks, cyber or otherwise?
It seems strange that things are happening just as we're about to be on our own with little protection as our defences are depleted.
No need to be sarcastic or call me names, just answer please.
It is in Russia's interests for the EU to crumble. They see it as a threat that has swallowed up their buffer zone.
09-10-2018, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TessA
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When you've finished squabbling and hurling abuse at each other! Can any of you address a genuine concern?With all this talk about a new Cold War with Russia, how much support will we get from Europe if we become a prime target for attacks, cyber or otherwise?
It seems strange that things are happening just as we're about to be on our own with little protection as our defences are depleted.
No need to be sarcastic or call me names, just answer please.
We are already a prime target, our Politicians have been amongst those leading the charge against Russia.
Only recently we have made threats against them, which is incredibly stupid given the military imbalance.
If it does kick off we will be hammered due to the USA Bases here and best not to forget we have no missile defence systems other than short range systems based on ships.
We are members of NATO, so in theory all NATO Members would rush to our defence, including the USA.
Turkey is a NATO Member and when they shot down a Russian Plane, NATO told them they where on their own.
Putin is clever, if he wants a pop at us he will be on the phone to Trump, stay out of it, we will not target your troops in the UK, join in and it is Nukes on USA Mainland.
Trump will look after the USA.
Stop poking him, get out of Syria and he will leave us alone, we are a side show, he has bigger fish to fry.
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