19-07-2020, 12:43 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by Bread
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The unions shafted our car industry along with the EU with their relocation grants and the deliberate deception around CO2 emissions.Formula 1 is based in the UK because the British are amazing innovators and we lead the world in so many areas. It doesnt matter what the nationality of the management is, the home of their research and development is in Britain.
The future of the car industry and its technologies are innovated right here.
Look at where those leading names originated and where they ended up ... that should tell you something about what EU membership has meant for our industry
Yes we are innovators and leaders in design and technology.
Unfortunately that does not translate into productivety and jobs.
The manufacturing has moved abroad.
Naff all to do with the EU, far more to do with our short term-ism.
We do not invest in our Industries, others do.
Both Germany and France are much higher Taxation Countries than we are, but their productivity is better than ours.
There are exceptions, Nissan and Toyota, but they employ Japanese methods, not UK ones.
We used to be the biggest manufacturing nation in the World.
We are now an also ran.
It does matter in terms of jobs and wealth creation.
19-07-2020, 12:57 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiYes we are innovators and leaders in design and technology.
Unfortunately that does not translate into productivety and jobs.
The manufacturing has moved abroad.
Naff all to do with the EU, far more to do with our short term-ism.
We do not invest in our Industries, others do.
Both Germany and France are much higher Taxation Countries than we are, but their productivity is better than ours.
There are exceptions, Nissan and Toyota, but they employ Japanese methods, not UK ones.
We used to be the biggest manufacturing nation in the World.
We are now an also ran.
It does matter in terms of jobs and wealth creation.
We did well until the unions got involved and the EU moved production from the UK to other European countries
British productivity is among the best in the world, unfortunately the agenda of the unions, the EU and left wing governments destroyed everything.
19-07-2020, 01:13 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiLovely to hear that JBR.
Ask him if he remembers the West Indian Storeman.
When asked for parts he sometimes could not find them and said "Deas will do?
Known as Diesel.
His wife meets up with Marge occasionally, but Gordon is busy doing up the house they are planning to move into and seems to have made it his 'life's work'.
They also have a house in France which they're at right now.
19-07-2020, 01:15 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by Bread
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We did well until the unions got involved and the EU moved production from the UK to other European countries British productivity is among the best in the world, unfortunately the agenda of the unions, the EU and left wing governments destroyed everything.
19-07-2020, 01:22 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by Bread
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We did well until the unions got involved and the EU moved production from the UK to other European countries British productivity is among the best in the world, unfortunately the agenda of the unions, the EU and left wing governments destroyed everything.
They're also short-sighted, fortunately. In demanding workers' rights and more and more money, they have frightened away investors who, as has been said, moved abroad.
Consequently, all the unions have achieved is to lose their workers employment.
I think those workers have now realised the danger of powerful left-wing unions and are turning their back on them.
The TGW union is still trying it on, especially in Londonistan on the Underground. I have a feeling that they might decide to convert to more driverless trains and, consequently, reduce the union's clout.
Trade unions were an essential thing in the old days when greedy business owners tried to work their workforce for as little as they could pay them. Things are now changing and, largely due to legal enforcement, that can no longer happen.
Unions like they used to be cannot exist for much longer, and I believe that will be for everyone's benefit.
19-07-2020, 01:31 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by JBR
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The TGW union is still trying it on, especially in Londonistan on the Underground. I have a feeling that they might decide to convert to more driverless trains and, consequently, reduce the union's clout.Trade unions were an essential thing in the old days when greedy business owners tried to work their workforce for as little as they could pay them. Things are now changing and, largely due to legal enforcement, that can no longer happen.
Then in a way the EU made trade unions redundant, as it was the EU who pushed for legislation to protect these rights, and the UK had to implement it due to EU rules.
19-07-2020, 01:36 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by JBR
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Looking on the bright side, as well as leaving the EU our unions are no longer as powerful as they used to be.They're also short-sighted, fortunately. In demanding workers' rights and more and more money, they have frightened away investors who, as has been said, moved abroad.
Consequently, all the unions have achieved is to lose their workers employment.
I think those workers have now realised the danger of powerful left-wing unions and are turning their back on them.
The TGW union is still trying it on, especially in Londonistan on the Underground. I have a feeling that they might decide to convert to more driverless trains and, consequently, reduce the union's clout.
Trade unions were an essential thing in the old days when greedy business owners tried to work their workforce for as little as they could pay them. Things are now changing and, largely due to legal enforcement, that can no longer happen.
Unions like they used to be cannot exist for much longer, and I believe that will be for everyone's benefit.
Foreign workers don't tend to join unions either and IT based industries tend to push unions away because they are so damaging to innovation.
Unions are history thankfully. We don't need them, we have great employers instead
19-07-2020, 01:38 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by Bread
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We did well until the unions got involved and the EU moved production from the UK to other European countries British productivity is among the best in the world, unfortunately the agenda of the unions, the EU and left wing governments destroyed everything.
Look it up rather than posting false facts.
19-07-2020, 01:38 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Perhaps because that are the last working man's positions?Then in a way the EU made trade unions redundant, as it was the EU who pushed for legislation to protect these rights, and the UK had to implement it due to EU rules.
The EU has lead the way in workers rights Solasch. We have free health care for workers, more paid holidays, maternity and paternity leave etc etc
The 27 are about 20 years behind us... what's the EU minimum wage again ?
19-07-2020, 01:50 PM
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Re: The Beginning of The End!
Feel free to prove me wrong Swimmy.
You make a habit of calling people out then not being able to back up your claims.
1974 to 1979 was the worst period in britain for manufacturing - the unions nd socialism that caused that and put the working man on a 3 day week, the brain drain and britain out of work.
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