Re: Boris Johnson plots 'Revenge'

I think that it is fair to say that this has been the way it is for quite a long time.

Most big Companies had "Lobbyists", who were at the HoC very frequently, way back in the post war years.

What do we think that these Lobbyists are for?

What do we think that they do?

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Exactly Ted, it is rife in usa as well, business ends up telling
government what it wants doing, the people come last!
Imo think tanks are not much better either?
Donkeyman!

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It has but it is getting much worse. Previously it was covert and had to be justified along formal routes. But it's like it's acceptable now.

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Looks like Dominic Cummings is sorting out the Supreme Court as well as the government.

Go Dominic !

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Pray tell me what is wrong with wishing we could revert back to the British Law Courts with 3 judges? It was the highest court in the UK and respected by all, so less talk about Hitler if you don't mind!! it stood us in good stead for centuries.

Besides, are not the Supreme Court Judges in the USA chosen by political means? I don't hear you saying anything wrong about them doing it that way.

And surely, if it was done politically, there would have to be several strict layers of selection before an appointment of a Supreme Court Judge here, as no doubt there is in the USA.

What's wrong with that? surely better than the Masonic or you scratch my back selection as it is now?

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Hi

One of my main reasons for voting Leave was to regain our own Judicial Sovereignty.

It is one of the things that makes this Country Great.

I have no wish whatsoever to have politically appointed Judges, that is what we are escaping.

We have a fantastic legal system, totally independent of Political interference.

That is what gives me my freedom to call both Boris and Corbyn complete pillocks and not have to worry about it.

Sentencing etc is not down to the Judges, it is down to the Politicians who make the Law.

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So people have complained about unelected bureaucrats in Brussels pulling the strings but you think that in the UK they should be celebrated?

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Politicians make the law, judges decide what to do in case someone, any one, doesn't abide by the law.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50828516

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What boris trying to do, which you describe as beneficial, is trying to allign the judicial system with his political goals. E.g. make sure the judiciary system has no say about how he tries to achieve his political aims. That is exactly what hitler did back in the thirties.
The principle of the trias politica is there for good reason.

In 1933, the german system of justice underwent "coordination" (alignment with Nnazi goals). All professional associations involved with the administration of justice were merged into the National Socialist League of German Jurists. In april 1933, hitler passed one of the earliest*antisemitic laws, purging jewish and also socialist judges, lawyers, and other court officers from their professions. Further, the Academy of German Law and Nazi legal theorists, such as Carl Schmitt, advocated the nazification of German law, cleansing it of "jewish influence." Judges were enjoined to let "healthy folk sentiment" (gesundes Volksempfinden) guide them in their decisions.

Hitler determined to increase the political reliability of the courts. In 1933 he established special courts throughout Germany to try politically sensitive cases. Dissatisfied with the 'not guilty' verdicts rendered by the Supreme Court (Reichsgericht) in the*Reichstag Fire*Trial, Hitler ordered the creation of the People's Court (Volksgerichtshof) in Berlin in 1934 to try treason and other important "political cases." Under*Roland Freisler, the People's Court became part of the Nazi system of terror, condemning tens of thousands of people as "Volk Vermin" and thousands more to death for "Volk Treason."

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What can possibly better than the present procedure?

Judges of the Supreme Court are appointed by The Queen by the issue of*letters patent,*on the advice of the Prime Minister, to whom a name is recommended by a special selection commission. The Prime Minister is required by the Constitutional Reform Act to recommend this name to the Queen and not permitted to nominate anyone else.

Selection commission

The selection commission is made up of the*President*and*Deputy President*of the Court, and a member each from the*Judicial Appointments Commission, the*Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland*and the Northern Ireland Judicial Appointments Commission.*Should either the President's or Deputy President's place on the commission be unfilled, that place is to be taken by the most senior ordinary judge of the court,*and should both offices be vacant, by the most senior and second most senior ordinary judges of the court.

Selection procedure

Once the commission is formed, there are a number of people it is required to consult. The first group is a set of "senior judges" defined by the Act who do*not*wish to be considered for nomination.*Section 60 of the Act defines "the senior judges" as (a) the other judges of the Supreme Court, (b) the*Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales, (c) the*Master of the Rolls, (d) the*Lord President of the Court of Session, (e) the*Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland, (f) the*Lord Justice Clerk, (g) the*President of the Queen's Bench Division, (h) the*President of the Family Division*and (i) the*Chancellor of the High Court. In the event that no judge from one of the UK's three jurisdictions has been consulted (e.g. if the Lord President and Lord Justice Clerk, the two most senior judges in Scotland, both wish to be considered for appointment, they will both be excluded from the consultation), the commission must consult the most senior judge in that jurisdiction who is not a member of the commission and does not wish to be considered for appointment.*The commission is then also required to consult the*Lord Chancellor, the*First Minister of Scotland, the*First Minister for Wales*and the*Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

The selection must be made on merit, in accordance with the qualification criteria of section 25 of the Act (above), of someone not a member of the commission, ensuring that the judges will have between them knowledge and experience of all three of the UK's distinct legal systems, having regard to any guidance given by the Lord Chancellor, and of one person only.