Re: Is Brexit over ??
Originally Posted by
JBR
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Not exactly. We are still:
- handing them access to our fishing areas, in fact even more so now as they are allowed within our SIX-mile limit (and we are not allowed that close to their shorelines);
Evidence for that please because IMHO that is incorrect?
AFAIK others are allowed in the 6-to-12 mile zone so long as they have a license but not inside the 6.
"Particularly important to them was that the deal would secure an exclusive zone for UK boats within 12 miles of shore, but
foreign vessels with a track record will continue to have access to the 6 to 12 mile area under a grandfather clause."
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/fisheries-trade-deal/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN29415G
Originally Posted by
JBR
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Not exactly. We are still:
- subject to their trade paperwork mountain, despite having a 'free trade' arrangement;
First this isn't exactly "paperwork" insomuch as it is pretty much all done online.
Second such "paperwork" was always necessary, but now what is needed is different AND it's not as if everybody didn't know we were leaving, is it?
So why aren't the moaners more prepared?
IMHO they
mostly have themselves to blame for failing to do their research in such a vital area of their business.
No matter in what and to whom you trade, you fulfil their requirements if you want to do business with them.
Always.
If the paperwork for exporting to the EU is too onerous then sell elsewhere, because it seems that we can trade with the rest of the world just fine.
Originally Posted by
JBR
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Not exactly. We are still:
- allowing, in fact assisting in, the transfer of illegal immigrants from the Channel into our country;
Nothing has changed very much in centuries, but I agree that more needs to be done here ......... just like it always has been, BUT there needs to be sufficient public appetite to do so otherwise the snowflakes prevent action.
Priti seems to have the right ideas, now let's see if she is allowed to implement them.
Stopping entry using iffy visa's has been a good start.
Originally Posted by
JBR
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Not exactly. We are still:
- obliged to continue to pay the EU for some reason (I believe the bill altogether is £20billion);
Generally agreed but IMHO the blame for any imbalance with this lays firmly with Treason May.
If Boris had argued this further I think it's pretty certain we would not yet have left.
Originally Posted by
JBR
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Not exactly. We are still:
- under the impression that tariff-free trade with the EU benefits us, whereas the EU exports far more to us that we do to them;
It does undoubtedly benefit us, despite the imbalance.
Any problems (such as the ones you hint at) and the imbalance is an excellent bargaining tool, since we know with certainty now that the EU are worried about losing trade.
We in the UK can now buy from where we want to AND potentially at better prices than the EU's protectionist rates too: I've given cheaper Israeli & South African oranges vs Spanish before as an example.
There's a huge number of other potentially beneficial opportunities just waiting to be seized.
Originally Posted by
JBR
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Not exactly. We are still:
- excluded from projects like Galileo, into which we have already paid handsomely;
I would rather be out than continue paying AND having to perpetually fight for decent access.
IMHO I would rather choose what we pay for and decide what is best for us than have others dictate.
Not only that, but seeing how the EU does with organising things it's probably better being beyond the likes of Galileo which I'm pretty sure they will bu@@er up somehow.
I can understand you not being happy, really I can.
But things aren't as bad as you seem to think they are - and they will not get to that stage either unless both our politicians AND the public allow things to descend towards that state of affairs.
Being quite honest, I'm heartened by what I've seen so far - as with the expungeing of EU wording from our laws.
Is it perfect?
No.
But did anybody seriously ever think that it would be?
From here on in, what happens in this country really is up to us.
For the first time in decades.
Let's start by being grateful for that.