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15-12-2018, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedc ->
If we are still full members, why did they (the EU) stop May from attending their little (expensive) party yesterday.

Why did that strange little man (Junket) discredit our PM in his diatribe?

Remainers, around here, are already starting to ask themselves if they want to continue being ruled by this discourteous mob.

We will always be treated as the naughty boys, from now on, because the minions do not want us to be seen to succeed in any way!

Thank you, Juncker, you have, once again, shown us the true face of the EU.
You conclusions show a lack of knowledge but a lot of suppressed feelings. She was excluded for less than 10 minutes. Longer didn't the 27 need to discus May's proposal for renegotiation the deal. This was in accordance with article 50.4:

For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
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15-12-2018, 04:12 PM
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We are not and never have been ruled by them.
Are you saying you never lost your sovereignty? But leaver's argument is regaining the UK sovereignty. Were leavers telling lies? Gosh!
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15-12-2018, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
Nope, just want Remainers to respect the democratic process of this country and the hard fought for constitutional elements.

It is the Remainers and EU Stoogess that are trying to Bully everyone else into having a 2nd vote and the like. It's despicable behaviour and really those people should up sticks and go and live in France or Germany or some other EU state.
I agree. A second referendum should be only on the question do we leave with this deal or without one.
Nobody in the EU expects you to stay. That is why Juncker c.s. are getting annoyed at May, constantly saying: I need you. Doesn't she see nobody wants you anymore?
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15-12-2018, 04:21 PM
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Re: Dark Days Ahead...And We Can't Even Vote Ukip!

Originally Posted by Tedc ->
If we are still full members, why did they (the EU) stop May from attending their little (expensive) party yesterday.

Why did that strange little man (Junket) discredit our PM in his diatribe?

Remainers, around here, are already starting to ask themselves if they want to continue being ruled by this discourteous mob.

We will always be treated as the naughty boys, from now on, because the minions do not want us to be seen to succeed in any way!

Thank you, Juncker, you have, once again, shown us the true face of the EU.
That seemed particularly rude to me, OK don't talk about brexit in her presence that makes sense but at least let her get through the entire meal and talk about it afterwards. I like my pudding I'd have insisted of staying for at least that course
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15-12-2018, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
I agree. A second referendum should be only on the question do we leave with this deal or without one.
Nobody in the EU expects you to stay. That is why Juncker c.s. are getting annoyed at May, constantly saying: I need you. Doesn't she see nobody wants you anymore?
This is one of the reasons we want out of the EU, why do you in another country get to tell us what to do ? a second referendum isn't needed unless you'd care to pay for it ? If our government respects the first referendum and leaves instead of trying to keep us in then they have done what we asked them to. Any second referendum is not what we wanted.
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15-12-2018, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
This is one of the reasons we want out of the EU, why do you in another country get to tell us what to do ? a second referendum isn't needed unless you'd care to pay for it ? If our government respects the first referendum and leaves instead of trying to keep us in then they have done what we asked them to. Any second referendum is not what we wanted.
Isn't a government supposed to rule on their own findings, and are citizens not supposed to abide by the government's ruling?
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15-12-2018, 05:15 PM
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Isn't a government supposed to rule on their own findings, and are citizens not supposed to abide by the government's ruling?
No they represent us and should do what the electorate tell them to do. They aren't kings and queens to rule us !
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15-12-2018, 05:56 PM
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No they represent us and should do what the electorate tell them to do. They aren't kings and queens to rule us !
On their site the parliament themselves says these are the functions of the UK parliament. Listening to every whim of the public is not among them. Don't you expect the wrong things from your parliament?


The main functions of the UK Parliament are to:

Check*and challenge the work of the Government (scrutiny)
Make and change laws*(legislation)
Debate the*important issues of the day (debating)*
Check and approve Government spending (budget/taxes)
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15-12-2018, 06:27 PM
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On their site the parliament themselves says these are the functions of the UK parliament. Listening to every whim of the public is not among them. Don't you expect the wrong things from your parliament?


The main functions of the UK Parliament are to:

Check*and challenge the work of the Government (scrutiny)
Make and change laws*(legislation)
Debate the*important issues of the day (debating)*
Check and approve Government spending (budget/taxes)
We elect them on what they say they believe so we vote for people represent what we want. If they are honest and decent they do what we voted them in to do. That's representing us. Trouble is they get in and completely change their minds or they lie or we can't find a person who really represents us. We need to change our system IMO but we can't do that until we get out of EU and EU stop controlling them at the top.
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15-12-2018, 06:43 PM
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Re: Dark Days Ahead...And We Can't Even Vote Ukip!

Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
We elect them on what they say they believe so we vote for people represent what we want. If they are honest and decent they do what we voted them in to do. That's representing us. Trouble is they get in and completely change their minds or they lie or we can't find a person who really represents us. We need to change our system IMO but we can't do that until we get out of EU and EU stop controlling them at the top.
Therein lies the problem!
 
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