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10-08-2020, 04:58 PM
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Our Politicians have not had Austerity for themselves, still had pay rises, pensions and subsidised food and drink.

As Shroppy says, we are well capable of criticising our own MPs.

In fact it is our national hobby.
Yo beat me to it Swimmy!
Uk has nothing to shout about?
Look how long we have been reforming the the HOL for example
or the justice system?
Nothing ever changes! The same ole, same ole are ruling the roost
still??We need to make the opportunity that brexit brings to make
real changes to the system !

Donkeyman! 😟😟😟
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10-08-2020, 05:50 PM
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Yo beat me to it Swimmy!
Uk has nothing to shout about?
Look how long we have been reforming the the HOL for example
or the justice system?
Nothing ever changes! The same ole, same ole are ruling the roost
still??We need to make the opportunity that brexit brings to make
real changes to the system !

Donkeyman! 😟😟😟
Any useful suggestions how to go about that, donks?
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10-08-2020, 08:05 PM
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
In effect both of you are saying the UK makes a total balls up of their registration of causes of death. Is there nothing you're capable of doing correctly? What a country!
At least in our democracy we are able to find out facts regarding our government's goings on, whereas your citizens know NOTHING about what goes on behind your government's closed doors. How could you? Your lower house voted out referendums without even asking you, so you have little to crow about. Give me our form of governance any time rather than being led by the nose as you "Europeans" are being. (The EU frowns on your right to call yourselves Dutch anymore).
Good luck for the future.
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10-08-2020, 08:31 PM
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
At least in our democracy we are able to find out facts regarding our government's goings on, whereas your citizens know NOTHING about what goes on behind your government's closed doors. How could you? Your lower house voted out referendums without even asking you, so you have little to crow about. Give me our form of governance any time rather than being led by the nose as you "Europeans" are being. (The EU frowns on your right to call yourselves Dutch anymore).
Good luck for the future.
Thing is, if we don't like our leaders we can vote them out in 4 years. Unlike the EU where they just appoint a new nutter that's more crazier than the last

The 27 don't have a choice with their leadership.

Yeah democratic

There will be lots of lies to be uncovered in the EU about their covid19 figures (or lack of them).
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10-08-2020, 09:00 PM
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
At least in our democracy we are able to find out facts regarding our government's goings on, whereas your citizens know NOTHING about what goes on behind your government's closed doors. How could you? Your lower house voted out referendums without even asking you, so you have little to crow about. Give me our form of governance any time rather than being led by the nose as you "Europeans" are being. (The EU frowns on your right to call yourselves Dutch anymore).
Good luck for the future.
You mean you actually know what is going on, and you don't protest against it. Wow, you have lived a full life, and have nothing more to strive for. I respect that. Farewell.
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Thing is, if we don't like our leaders we can vote them out in 4 years. Unlike the EU where they just appoint a new nutter that's more crazier than the last

The 27 don't have a choice with their leadership.

Yeah democratic

There will be lots of lies to be uncovered in the EU about their covid19 figures (or lack of them).
I cannot rule out things will be unearthed, and we will hear about it. Unlike you heard about that report on russian interference in the brexit referendum?
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10-08-2020, 10:42 PM
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
At least in our democracy we are able to find out facts regarding our government's goings on,
Good luck for the future.
You mean things like this?

The government was warned nine months ago that its own policies were “pushing*migrants*to take more dangerous routes” across the*English Channel*in an official report by MPs, it can be revealed amid a surge in boat crossings.

Priti Patel, the home secretary, was a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee when it heard evidence that the number of migrants trying to reach the UK by sea would rise and current measures were not working.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9663826.html

Good luck for the present with this kind of government!
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11-08-2020, 05:45 AM
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Austerity.....
Reads like creative bollox to me.

UK Government spending is about 900 billion pounds, net contribution to EU was about 11 billion pounds ie 1% of government spending. presumably it is similar for all EU Governments (give or take).

If they all put all their EU contribution toward their people that 1% is going to be three parts of bugger all.

It is just a stupid anti EU argument detracting from the real austerity measures conservative governments put in place to take money from the poor to give it to the rich.

Haven't you noticed that when things are going well there are tax cuts for all (good for the rich) but when things go badly then the first thing that is cut is welfare which disadvantages the poor? No talk of reinstating the tax cuts you notice.

Naturally any government is very pleased with any galah blaming the EU (or indeed any one but them) for austerity/poverty, it saves them having to come up with excuses because it is always someone elses fault.

As I have said elsewhere I don't care if the UK stays in the EU or leaves but this constant blaming the EU for every little things is patently absurd. You're leaving! Who are you going to blame in two years time?
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11-08-2020, 06:27 AM
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Re: No Matter What Happens, Austerity Only Belongs to the People

Originally Posted by Bruce ->
Reads like creative bollox to me.

UK Government spending is about 900 billion pounds, net contribution to EU was about 11 billion pounds ie 1% of government spending. presumably it is similar for all EU Governments (give or take).

If they all put all their EU contribution toward their people that 1% is going to be three parts of bugger all.

It is just a stupid anti EU argument detracting from the real austerity measures conservative governments put in place to take money from the poor to give it to the rich.

Haven't you noticed that when things are going well there are tax cuts for all (good for the rich) but when things go badly then the first thing that is cut is welfare which disadvantages the poor? No talk of reinstating the tax cuts you notice.

Naturally any government is very pleased with any galah blaming the EU (or indeed any one but them) for austerity/poverty, it saves them having to come up with excuses because it is always someone elses fault.

As I have said elsewhere I don't care if the UK stays in the EU or leaves but this constant blaming the EU for every little things is patently absurd. You're leaving! Who are you going to blame in two years time?

The UK is showing no signs of using austerity over Covid and neither is the bank of England.

The EU has been applying huge austerity measures on the 27 since 2010 with troika arrangements for Greece and soon Italy. The Euro is such a disaster and none of the "do whatever it takes" measures Draghi evangelised has worked.

For an unelected organisation that gets free money from tje few that are net contributors, there are no cut backs for the elite only for the people.

Funny how you draw the same conclusion that the EU rulers are accountable for nothing... its another reason we left.

The EU is failing miserably just like every other socialist experiment.
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11-08-2020, 06:34 AM
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Leaving the EU wasn't just a financial decision it was much more than that.
 
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