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Intellectual tossing will sort nothing out, but, its all we've got.

Its better if it comes from a pseudointellectual, any volunteers?
is intellectual tossing the same as mental masturbation ?(serious question). Hope I don't have to google the answer!
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Yes, exactly Omah.
That is what I meant in my earlier post. It is impossible to have sufficiently tested this Russian vaccine for our safety and effectiveness yet.
Trust nothing with "ARS" in the heading!

Yet again another newspaper many of us have never heard of & we are asked to believe their stories!

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13-08-2020, 11:22 AM
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Trust nothing with "ARS" in the heading!

Yet again another newspaper many of us have never heard of & we are asked to believe their stories!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_Technica

Ars Technica is a Latin-derived term that the site translates as the "art of technology", and sometimes known commonly as Ars) is a website covering news and opinions in technology, science, politics, and society, created by Ken Fisher and Jon Stokes in 1998. It publishes news, reviews, and guides on issues such as computer hardware and software, science, technology policy, and video games. Many of the site's writers are postgraduates and some work for research institutions. Articles on the website are written in a less-formal tone than those in traditional journals.

Ars Technica was privately owned until May 2008, when it was sold to Condé Nast Digital, the online division of Condé Nast Publications. Condé Nast purchased the site, along with two others, for $25 million and added it to the company's Wired Digital group, which also includes Wired and, formerly, Reddit. The staff mostly works from home and has offices in Boston, Chicago, London, New York City, and San Francisco.
The (lack of) Russian vaccine details have been published by hundreds of internet publications - this one has "NATURE" in its' heading:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02386-2

In his announcement, Putin said that the Russian regulator had approved a COVID-19 vaccine developed by the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Moscow, even though phase III trials of the vaccine had yet to be completed. Such trials involve giving thousands of people a vaccine or a placebo injection, and then following them to see if the vaccine prevents disease. They also allow researchers to confirm the vaccine’s safety and look for rarer side effects that may not have been observed in smaller, earlier stage trials. Russian health-care minister Mikhail Murashko said that the vaccine would be gradually introduced to citizens, and given to health workers and teachers first.

The Gamaleya vaccine has been given to 76 volunteers as part of two early-stage trials listed on ClinicalTrials.gov, but no results from those trials or other preclinical studies have been published, and little else is known about the experimental vaccine.
According to the vaccine’s Russian-language registration certificate, all 38 participants who received one or two doses of the vaccine had produced antibodies against SARS-CoV-2’s spike protein, including potent neutralizing antibodies that inactivate viral particles.
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And all this ^^^^^^^ is what I was trying to say back on the first page of this thread.

How many of us would be willing to have the Russian vaccine - because no way would I have it.
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14-08-2020, 01:33 PM
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And all this ^^^^^^^ is what I was trying to say back on the first page of this thread.
Indeed .....

My apologies for the repetition but it's in the manner of reinforcement, since some posters have a misinformed view of Russian "coronavirus" research and development .....
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14-08-2020, 01:46 PM
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And all this ^^^^^^^ is what I was trying to say back on the first page of this thread.

How many of us would be willing to have the Russian vaccine - because no way would I have it.
I would be perfectly happy to. Infinitely more so than any vaccine from American labs.

Worth taking note that vaccine and drug testing is more than frequently undertaken in Africa before being allowed even near American human subjects. It's been going on for years.
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I would be perfectly happy to. Infinitely more so than any vaccine from American labs.

Worth taking note that vaccine and drug testing is more than frequently undertaken in Africa before being allowed even near American human subjects. It's been going on for years.


What?? You would be perfectly happy to let them stick an insufficiently tested trial vaccine into you?
You're bonkers.

Would your family be able to claim compensation if you snuffed it, or were left paralysed or anything? Or would the Russians say it was your own fault as you knew the vaccine was new and not tested enough?
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Russia's top respiratory doctor quits over 'gross violations' of medical ethics that rushed through Putin's coronavirus 'vaccine'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...9-vaccine.html

Professor Alexander Chuchalin quit the Russian health ministry's ethics council after making a fierce attack on the new Sputnik V drug ahead of the body approving its registration. Amid deep scepticism among Western experts over the drug, it appears that Chuchalin sought and failed to block its registration on 'safety' grounds before quitting the ethics council.

He specifically accused the two leading medics involved in its development of flouting medical ethics in rushing the vaccine into production. Dr Chuchalin named Prof Alexander Gintsburg, director of the Gamaleya Research Centre for Epidemiology and Microbiology, and Prof Sergey Borisevich, a medical colonel and Russian army's top virologist.

Chuchalin warned: 'In the case of a drug or vaccine, we, as ethical reviewers, would like to understand, first of all, how safe it is for humans. Safety always comes first. How to evaluate it? The vaccines that are being created today have never been used in humans, and we cannot predict how a person will tolerate it.'

In a separate attack on the vaccine, Prof Alexander Chepurnov said the 'danger exists' of 'increasing the disease with the wrong design of the vaccine'. Chepurnov is former head of the laboratory for specially hazardous diseases at Vector Institute in Siberia which is also involved in developing vaccines for coronavirus.

He warned: 'Time is needed….antibodies are different. In some situations - and for coronavirus, this is already known - the infection intensifies with some antibodies. It should be known which antibodies the vaccine produces.' But the vaccine creators had not published scientific articles on the vaccine, he said. They need to explain the level of neutralisation, and details of doses and 'whether it develops or not the ability to increase infection by antibodies'.

Another leading scientist Vladimir Chekhonin, vice president of the Russian Academy of Sciences, claimed Russia was flouting the Nuremberg Code on human experimentation and the country's own laws in human clinical research involved in Covid-19 vaccine testing.

He expressed concern about the use of serving military personnel as recipients of the vaccine. 'We cannot conduct experiments on humans,' said the respected immunologist. This is a gross violation of the international Nuremberg Code. We are just making fools of ourselves with this early vaccine that can bring us a lot of trouble.'
Opposition to the "vaccine" from some of the top men in their field in Russia .....
 
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