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Re: Who started WWII?

It was Britain that actually declared war on Germany.

Germany just popped into Poland to protect their citizens because the Poles were not being nice to them (just like the Russians and Crimea in the Ukraine) but then the British just had to stick their noses in and of course Australia and all the other Commonwealth lackeys followed.

Russia didn't invade Poland until after the declaration of war because they didn't want to be left out. BTW Czechoslovakia had already been partitioned by Germany and Poland.

But it is true that Britain actually declared war on Germany on 3rd September 1939 until then it had all been friendly banter with all the fuss being between those damn foreigners far away in central Europe.
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[QUOTE=Bruce;1781773]It was Britain that actually declared war on Germany.

Germany just popped into Poland to protect their citizens because the Poles were not being nice to them

Do you recall what really happened at the time?
Germany wanted an excuse to invade Poland. They dressed German troops as Polish troops and they (the disguised German troops) 'opened fire' on German troops giving Hitler an excuse to invade.
They invaded other countries without a declaration of war.
France, Belgium, Holland etc;
The only country Germany openly declared war on was America.
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->

Russia didn't invade Poland until after the declaration of war because they didn't want to be left out.
What about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Signed about a week before the war started, didn't it detail new European borders split between Germany and Russia?
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But if it hadn't been for Versailles.

That is the root cause and it was the dishonesty by The blood alliance between the Russian royals and the British royals building on the Entente Cordiale reneging on the agreed basis for the armistice that ended conflict the horrendous terms imposed on Germany would not have resulted in the inevitable overthrow of those terms and opened the door for an ultra right wing party to form that then destroyed the Weimar Republic.

Who started WW2? Simple. WW1 never ended, nations simply regrouped.
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13-09-2019, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->
It was Britain that actually declared war on Germany.

Germany just popped into Poland to protect their citizens because the Poles were not being nice to them (just like the Russians and Crimea in the Ukraine) but then the British just had to stick their noses in and of course Australia and all the other Commonwealth lackeys followed.

Russia didn't invade Poland until after the declaration of war because they didn't want to be left out. BTW Czechoslovakia had already been partitioned by Germany and Poland.

But it is true that Britain actually declared war on Germany on 3rd September 1939 until then it had all been friendly banter with all the fuss being between those damn foreigners far away in central Europe.

You are correct that Britain formalised the start of WW2 by
declaring war on germany Brucy, l know because l heard the
then PM do it over the radio!
He did it in spite of the fact that uk was totally unprepared
for a war? Due mainly to his policy of appeasement!
The government then fell and reformed into an all party
coalition headed by Churchil
However the war was allready being fought by then really?
Should ring some bells at the moment methinks?

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13-09-2019, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
But if it hadn't been for Versailles.

That is the root cause and it was the dishonesty by The blood alliance between the Russian royals and the British royals building on the Entente Cordiale reneging on the agreed basis for the armistice that ended conflict the horrendous terms imposed on Germany would not have resulted in the inevitable overthrow of those terms and opened the door for an ultra right wing party to form that then destroyed the Weimar Republic.

Who started WW2? Simple. WW1 never ended, nations simply regrouped.
An interesting view Todger! With some merit imo!
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Who started WWII?
One thing I know for sure - it wasn't me!

I wasn't around at the time - and I don't want to be around for the next one!
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16-09-2019, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
What about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Signed about a week before the war started, didn't it detail new European borders split between Germany and Russia?
Yes AnnieS, they did sign a treaty, but Hitler tore it up as
soon as he pacified Poland and was allready on the Polish
border with Russia? So much for treaties???
But this trick turned out to be his downfall as he had to
divert his attention from the western front to deal with the
Russians, Thus letting Britain off the bhook!!

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16-09-2019, 10:51 AM
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The question was 'Who started WW2' Officially it was Britain. Hitler declared war on nobody in Europe, he just invaded without any declaration. He did however declare war on America later.
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16-09-2019, 10:56 AM
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History is always written by the winners, so it is always very difficult to find out what really happened.

The Origins of the Second World War
by A.J.P. Taylor

One of the most popular and controversial historians of the twentieth century, who made his subject accessible to millions, A.J.P. Taylor caused a storm of outrage with this scandalous bestseller.

Debunking what were accepted truths about the Second World War, he argued provocatively that Hitler did not set out to cause the war as part of an evil master plan, but blundered into it partly by accident, aided by the shortcomings of others.

Fiercely attacked for vindicating Hitler, A.J.P. Taylor's stringent re-examination of the events preceding the Nazi invasion of Poland on 1st September 1939 opened up new debate, and is now recognized as a brilliant and classic piece of scholarly research."

One thing, however, is for sure, the Austrian-born did not stand alone.
Without the likes of Goebbels, Emil Maurice (founding member of the Schutzstaffel (SS). He was of mixed Jewish and ethnic German ancestry), Julius Schreck, Heinrich Himmler, Theodor Morell, Wernher von Braun (later invited to the US to work at NASA, the chief architect of the Saturn V launch vehicle), Adolf Busemann (Operation Paperclip scientist too, the mind behind the swept wing, which improved aircraft performance at high speeds) and many more.

If the Austrian-born would have stood alone he would have remained a house-painter with some strange ideas.

That is the danger of people supporting a narcist person in a feeling of absolute power that can turn into megalomania.

It happened then, and it is happening again...hopefully this time people get wise and get rid of this person before the same misery happens once again.
 
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