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We should abolish the House of Lords it's just another gravy train just like the European Parliament lot
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You only say that because you don't like their vote. People with self interest rarely agree with them. But they always vote for common sense. Not vainglorious jibber-jabber and populist pandering.
I don't need a bunch of privileged, unelected, out of touch , unaccountable arseholes deciding what is or is not common sense on my behalf and the sooner we smash their hold on influence and power and pull their snouts out of the trough the better.

Their presence in our political life is an anomaly, an embarrassment and a travesty.

I would like to see either an elected 2nd chamber or a peoples' chamber of random members of the electorate appointed for short periods of tenure and ever changing.
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I don't need a bunch of privileged, unelected, out of touch , unaccountable arseholes deciding what is or is not common sense on my behalf and the sooner we smash their hold on influence and power and pull their snouts out of the trough the better.

Their presence in our political life is an anomaly, an embarrassment and a travesty.

I would like to see either an elected 2nd chamber or a peoples' chamber of random members of the electorate appointed for short periods of tenure and ever changing.
Gets my vote.
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19-04-2018, 10:02 AM
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People with self interest rarely agree with them.
Yet you seem to agree with them!
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we should abolish the house of lords it's just another gravy train just like the european parliament lot
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I don't need a bunch of privileged, unelected, out of touch , unaccountable arseholes deciding what is or is not common sense on my behalf and the sooner we smash their hold on influence and power and pull their snouts out of the trough the better.

Their presence in our political life is an anomaly, an embarrassment and a travesty.

I would like to see either an elected 2nd chamber or a peoples' chamber of random members of the electorate appointed for short periods of tenure and ever changing.
Yes, the Lords is an historical anomaly. I'm not sure whether there are any other nations in the world which appoint such people to run their country although, yes, there are dictatorships.

I agree with your suggestion of an elected second chamber, although if random members of the electorate were appointed, who knows what we'd get: criminals, pikeys!, who knows?
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Hi

Why are you all getting your knickers in a twist?

The vote was meaningless, the only thing it commits us to is asking the EU if we can remain in the Customs Union.

It will be a 30 second discussion.

Davis Davies.

Can we stay in the Customs Union, without paying anything in, restricting EU Immigration and negotiating our own Trade Deals?

Barnier

No.

We have then complied with the amendment, job done.
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20-04-2018, 01:04 PM
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You only say that because you don't like their vote. People with self interest rarely agree with them. But they always vote for common sense. Not vainglorious jibber-jabber and populist pandering.
Sorry, Annie, but can't agree that voting against the will of the people is beneficial to anybody.

The Gov has already said that they will ignore the vote - so, except for showing the EU how divided we are, it shows no positives at all!
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Yes, the Lords is an historical anomaly. I'm not sure whether there are any other nations in the world which appoint such people to run their country although, yes, there are dictatorships.

I agree with your suggestion of an elected second chamber, although if random members of the electorate were appointed, who knows what we'd get: criminals, pikeys!, who knows?
My bold!

Surely the Lords is exactly the same as a level of the EU.

Not elected, high power, much money.......!

Time for them to get a real job....if they are not way too old!
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20-04-2018, 02:14 PM
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Sorry, Annie, but can't agree that voting against the will of the people is beneficial to anybody.

The Gov has already said that they will ignore the vote - so, except for showing the EU how divided we are, it shows no positives at all!
And it really clarifies the suggestion that the Lords is of absolutely no real use.

Just a very expensive old people's home.

Some would argue that we must keep the Lords because we have a monarchy. They say that the two go together.

I disagree.

What about other European monarchies: Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, etc.? Do any of them have a government body comprising unelected aristocrats?
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