08-11-2017, 09:26 PM
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Re: NHS Boss...we want our cash boost!
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThe UK has never, ever, sent the EU £350 million a week.
That was a complete lie.
I know people who were under the impression that leaving the EU would gain us money to spend on the NHS and voted accordingly.
Leaving will cost us money, not gain us money.
How long that lasts is down to the skill and ability of our Politicians.
It is my view, that at the moment, we are being seriously let down by our Politicians.
They have not delivered on a single one of their promises to date.
The EU has not caved in, we have not managed to replicate our existing Free Trade Deals as part of being in the EU.
The biggest objector to that has been the USA, with whom we were promised a quick and easy Free Trade Deal.
They have imposed massive sanctions on Bombardier.
India has told us to get lost.
WTO Rules?
75% of our exports are services, not covered by WTO Rules.
We triggered Article 50 with the battle cry " No Deal is better than a Bad Deal".
The EU said fine, you can have no deal.
We have now gone begging for a Transition Period, which we are going to be badly stung for.
All the EU have to do to get our contributions back and make a profit is to give us a Free Trade Deal under WTO Rules.
No tariffs either way on manufactured goods and agricultural products.
They simply take our main Exports, Services, and grab the Tax they pay.
Putting it simply, that means 50% more Austerity or massive Tax rises.
Our Politicians have messed up.
We do actually pay £350 million every week but we receive about half back in rebate. However, we can only spend the rebate as advised by the EU. So technically, if we didn't have to pay our subscription then we could spend the whole £350 million per week on any project we desired including the NHS.
08-11-2017, 09:38 PM
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Re: NHS Boss...we want our cash boost!
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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http://theconversation.com/fact-chec...o-the-eu-58120We do actually pay £350 million every week but we receive about half back in rebate. However, we can only spend the rebate as advised by the EU. So technically, if we didn't have to pay our subscription then we could spend the whole £350 million per week on any project we desired including the NHS.
09-11-2017, 12:33 AM
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Re: NHS Boss...we want our cash boost!
Originally Posted by moscow
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my partner works in the nhs and i can tell you.......it is far worse now. It's bureaucratic to the point of inertia. Nurses are joining the service now with absolutely no intention of administering care to patients and every intention of fast tracking up the pay scales into management/administrative rolesi get so fed up with the nhs and the unions asking for more money , on and on like a broken record.
The nhs is better funded and has more employees than ever before.
The nhs needs to be more efficient and change it's remit and get back to basics.
The change by labour that changed gp's contracts was the single most destructive thing to happen to the nhs.
Some gp's pay went up from about £45-55,000 pa to £400,000 p.a with an average of well over £100,000...... And there are 36,000 gp's in the nhs.
This contract is the reason a&e dept's are under such pressure as gp's are permitted to clock off early and not work weekends. All for a minor pay cut that was more than compensated for by new performance related bonuses ( non related to actual work done)
this contract should be ripped up !
09-11-2017, 08:18 AM
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Re: NHS Boss...we want our cash boost!
Originally Posted by oldgreyfox
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http://theconversation.com/fact-chec...o-the-eu-58120we do actually pay £350 million every week but we receive about half back in rebate. However, we can only spend the rebate as advised by the eu. So technically, if we didn't have to pay our subscription then we could spend the whole £350 million per week on any project we desired including the nhs.
09-11-2017, 08:28 AM
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Re: NHS Boss...we want our cash boost!
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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http://theconversation.com/fact-chec...o-the-eu-58120We do actually pay £350 million every week but we receive about half back in rebate. However, we can only spend the rebate as advised by the EU. So technically, if we didn't have to pay our subscription then we could spend the whole £350 million per week on any project we desired including the NHS.
From your link.
As the Daily Telegraph put it: “In fact, the rebate is effectively deducted at source, and so not actually sent to the EU at all.” Therefore, the UK actual transfer to Brussels in 2014 was not £19.234 billion but £14.346 billion, according to a House of Commons briefing published in February 2016.
Even if one accepts that the receipts from the EU were around £9.2 billion (which excludes some payments not passing through the Treasury) the UK receives £1 for every £1.55 it actually pays.
The Rebate money never leaves the UK. so the £350 million is reduced by 25%, so we actually paid £280 million a week.
The EU then sends some of that money back such as the Agricultural subsidy, regional development funding and research funding.
When we leave we will be able to decide where we spend the £280 million a week.
It is inconceivable that we would stop all agricultural subsidies, research and regional funding and spend all that money on the NHS.
Leaving, to me, was not about the money.
If the NHS needs more money it can start by charging all those who could be charged but which it decides not to, like the EU Citizens living here.
09-11-2017, 10:17 AM
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Re: NHS Boss...we want our cash boost!
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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If the NHS needs more money it can start by charging all those who could be charged but which it decides not to, like the EU Citizens living here.
It's just like our ability to police our borders, we can do it, the rules are there but we don't have systems in place to do things properly. Systems cost money.
09-11-2017, 11:39 AM
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Re: NHS Boss...we want our cash boost!
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI always been charged in the EU, asked to produce my card.
The full cost of treatment, plus the admin costs of of recovering the money can be reclaimed.
It is a nonsense that we are not.
09-11-2017, 12:31 PM
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For fear of repeating myself procurement too needs looking at, we have a national service that each hospital buys things for, if they did it nationally they could get a huge discount on many things.Any specialist foods etc can easily and much more cheaply bought in local supermarkets.
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