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Not just digging up turf Muddy, but climbing on tube trains preventing hundreds of people getting to work, some of those prevented from travelling were hospital staff and teachers.
Stopping trains delivering coal to Drax power station, the main contributor to the national grid. The consequences of interrupting the supply would have been catastrophic.

The UK government has done more to offset climate change by providing sustainable energy and pollution control than any other country. Even you Muddy mentioned how most rivers had been returned to their natural state, you also mentioned the pea soupers that have now been eradicated by the reduction in fossil fuels. Incandescent light bulbs have been replaced with low energy LED versions, and every household in Britain now recycles their waste. Whole forests of wind turbines now fill our seascapes and wild spaces and solar panels adorn many roofs, both industrial and private. Not to mention the many projects still at the design stage such as electric vehicles....

The economy is a balancing act, and just moving headlong into new technology would leave thousands of people out of work, but the green revolution doesn't care about that, and I believe that is a very selfish attitude.
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Sorry to say this , but no-one is paying the slightest bit of attention to the astronomically growing human population. I say, 'Dramatically reduce that, or face climate warming on a scale so vast that human's will be in serious danger of starvation on a global scale.'

Plant a tree or a flower if it makes you feel better , but it will have zero impact on the real problem... human over population.

Seriously, people, do you really think that the next 4 billion people will be satisfied with an occasional bowl of gruel ? Or will they demand, jobs, a decent place to live, 24/7 electricity, clean water on tap, and many of the so-called luxuries such as color TV, WiFi, refrigerators, stoves/ovens etc etc ?

Moreover, all of those "luxuries" require raw materials and endless open-pit mining and , of course, FUEL to run huge machines. In case you didn't think about it, those huge machines run exclusively on fossil fuels.


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Re: Extinction the facts

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Sorry to say this , but no-one is paying the slightest bit of attention to the astronomically growing human population. I say, 'Dramatically reduce that, or face climate warming on a scale so vast that human's will be in serious danger of starvation on a global scale.'

Plant a tree or a flower if it makes you feel better , but it will have zero impact on the real problem... human over population.

Seriously, people, do you really think that the next 4 billion people will be satisfied with an occasional bowl of gruel ? Or will they demand, jobs, a decent place to live, 24/7 electricity, clean water on tap, and many of the so-called luxuries such as color TV, WiFi, refrigerators, stoves/ovens etc etc ?

Moreover, all of those "luxuries" require raw materials and endless open-pit mining and , of course, FUEL to run huge machines. In case you didn't think about it, those huge machines run exclusively on fossil fuels.



Perhaps nature is already dealing with the over population Bakerman, and that is why we have the dreaded Virus.

If it is getting rid of the sick, weak, and elderly, so only the fittest survive and live to breed.

That is how nature works.
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Perhaps nature is already dealing with the over population Bakerman, and that is why we have the dreaded Virus.

If it is getting rid of the sick, weak, and elderly, only the fittest survive and live to breed.

That is how nature works.
That is very true.
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The fittest or the smartest?
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Re: Extinction the facts

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Not just digging up turf Muddy, but climbing on tube trains preventing hundreds of people getting to work, some of those prevented from travelling were hospital staff and teachers.
Stopping trains delivering coal to Drax power station, the main contributor to the national grid. The consequences of interrupting the supply would have been catastrophic.
These caused a minor annoyance not a major castrophe and still achieved their aim. Their point was made and even people whose work journey may have been disputed didnít all disagree with their aims .
Anyway they donít need to do that anymore because the Corona Virus has done it for them .

Hasnít it been made It evident
- as I mentioned a few pages back - that nature is hitting back ?




The UK government has done more to offset climate change by providing sustainable energy and pollution control than any other country. Even you Muddy mentioned how most rivers had been returned to their natural state, you also mentioned the pea soupers that have now been eradicated by the reduction in fossil fuels. Incandescent light bulbs have been replaced with low energy LED versions, and every household in Britain now recycles their waste. Whole forests of wind turbines now fill our seascapes and wild spaces and solar panels adorn many roofs, both industrial and private. Not to mention the many projects still at the design stage such as electric vehicles....
See how aware you are OGF
All these changes have been brought about by campaign groups
Such as Friends of the earth and Greenpeace .Extinction Rebellion is but one in a long line of campaign groups only itís taking more radical tactics as the crisis gets more urgent .

The economy is a balancing act, and just moving headlong into new technology would leave thousands of people out of work, but the green revolution doesn't care about that, and I believe that is a very selfish attitude.
Look around you the Corona virus has done that already .
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Sorry to say this , but no-one is paying the slightest bit of attention to the astronomically growing human population. I say, 'Dramatically reduce that, or face climate warming on a scale so vast that human's will be in serious danger of starvation on a global scale.'

Plant a tree or a flower if it makes you feel better , but it will have zero impact on the real problem... human over population.

Seriously, people, do you really think that the next 4 billion people will be satisfied with an occasional bowl of gruel ? Or will they demand, jobs, a decent place to live, 24/7 electricity, clean water on tap, and many of the so-called luxuries such as color TV, WiFi, refrigerators, stoves/ovens etc etc ?

Moreover, all of those "luxuries" require raw materials and endless open-pit mining and , of course, FUEL to run huge machines. In case you didn't think about it, those huge machines run exclusively on fossil fuels.
Bakerman population rise has been mentioned several times and most intelligent people ARE aware of it.

https://populationmatters.org/

Many people in the world today - itís poorest - already have to be content with poor food and accommodation.No electricity or water .
However 10 children in poverty take up less of the planets resources that two in the developed world .
Why we allow - nay encourage people to have large families in this day and age is incomprehensible to me,
Itís all about Ď growth Ď we need Ďgrowthí to fuel the ever increasing economy .
Itís like some giant Ponzi scheme fuelled by the bottom layer .
The ones at the top benefit .
This is uNsustainable and will have to stop at some point .
We will all ( barring the very rich ) have to have a lower standard of living .
We will have to base our lives on needs rather than wants .
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Naughty children.
I donít think anyone would like to see a return of the coal man staggering up the path With a sack on his shoulders ?
If you have ever been to Lancashire some decades back you will have noticed how black the building were .
They were covered with the coal dust and grime of over 150 years .
How do you think peoples lungs looked like ?
The horrors of silicosis meant a prolonged painful death for the men who mined that coal .
We donít want to return to that but today if you spent time in London ( not in its present deserted state ) newcomers notice one thing.
The snot in their noses becomes grey .
clean your face with a face tissue at the end of one day in London and itís comes off grey to black .
This is pollution

Magnify all this on an grand scale and itís what we are doing to the planet .

Yet you call the people who recognise this - who have tried all legitimate ways of getting the government to act on this naughty children?
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Brill we should have more pandemics in order to hear the birds
We don't need a pandemic to make us use cars less
I have no children, so no grandchildren either. This means I have nobody to worry about, but all people who have children & grandchildren should think about this, because it will affect their lives much sooner than you think.
We may all be dead before the real horrors of of climate change occur, but younger people are likely to suffer much worse conditions that Surfermom is experiencing in the USA at the moment. These horrors are not going to be just a few weeks of bad weather...they will dramatically change peoples ability to live in safe conditions.
Human greed has done damage to this planet and, even if we are not totally to blame for the change in our climate, we are to a degree
If I had children & grandchildren, I couldn't bear to think that I had done nothing to try and make life easier for them by doing nothing!
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