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How did they find out the location and what was happening in camps? Where there British spies? This was enemy territory with the skies guarded and the fighting line thousands of miles west, south or East. How should Britain have destroyed the sites without even more deaths and suffering of innocent civilians?
Check out The Black Book of Poland and also The Polish White Book for starters. There's lots more though much is in Polish attest deal has been translated into English. There's quite a lot in Yiddish but I won't even bother with pointing YOUS to any. The Brits were well aware by 1942.

As for guarded skies, not equally distributed. Some areas thick as flies on a dog, others scarcely anything at all. Thousands of miles? Err, no. Destroying the death factories - great! But disrupting the associated rail network that led to them or just one of the big ones would have been something but nothing?

That is inexcusable and disgusting.

It would seem there is a very great deal about a great many things that yous are learning though probably not believing.
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I thought we were in lockdown ,why they go prancing off & we cannot .
He seems to be in the papers often as if this is all a good old holiday ,what with rabbiting on about repairing clothes ,who gives a stuff ? Do they think they cheering us ,they are certainly not cheering me . I just think him and the wife should keep their heads quietly below the parapet & just go about the

life quietly as we are urged to do .
He is a disgrace and to think he "may" be King gives me the screaming hab dabs TBH
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Check out The Black Book of Poland and also The Polish White Book for starters. There's lots more though much is in Polish attest deal has been translated into English. There's quite a lot in Yiddish but I won't even bother with pointing YOUS to any. The Brits were well aware by 1942.

As for guarded skies, not equally distributed. Some areas thick as flies on a dog, others scarcely anything at all. Thousands of miles? Err, no. Destroying the death factories - great! But disrupting the associated rail network that led to them or just one of the big ones would have been something but nothing?

That is inexcusable and disgusting.

It would seem there is a very great deal about a great many things that yous are learning though probably not believing.
You should blame Roosevelt not Britain. Britain was a bit busy attacking Germans in 1942. Roosevelt was simply not interested in Polish intelligence reports.
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Unfortunately he is right.



...and Robert Menzies agreed



That is not to say it wasn't the right thing to do.
Declaring war and starting a war are not always one and the same. Germany and Russia started the war when they invaded Poland. But that pact was initiated by Germany.
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You should blame Roosevelt not Britain. Britain was a bit busy attacking Germans in 1942. Roosevelt was simply not interested in Polish intelligence reports.
No, the Brits started WW2 and could and should have at least degraded the rail networks to the places of exekutionen und massentötungen.

America didn't even get stuck into WW2 until after Pearl.

Only after that Germany more or less had to declare war on America.
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Declaring war and starting a war are not always one and the same. Germany and Russia started the war when they invaded Poland. But that pact was initiated by Germany.
Best to see WHY Germany invaded Poland. Hint #1 . Polish border pre WW1. Polish border after Versailles. The shameful Treaty of Versailles.
The return of land stolen by Versailles, the need for lebensraum /wohnraum. The dictated movement of borders and land grab especially in the case of the Sudetenland.
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Best to see WHY Germany invaded Poland. Hint #1 . Polish border pre WW1. Polish border after Versailles. The shameful Treaty of Versailles.
The return of land stolen by Versailles, the need for lebensraum /wohnraum. The dictated movement of borders and land grab especially in the case of the Sudetenland.
"Land stolen by Versailles"? It was an international agreement.
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"Land stolen by Versailles"? It was an international agreement.
Not quite. - the basis of the armistice was that following the cessation of fighting there would be a peace conference involving all parties to agree the way forward based on the principle of each member being "an equal amongst equals" (rejected by America that soured Japanese and American relations and led to Pearl a tad over 20 years later)

At the Paris peace conference 1920 where Germany was totally ignored and the promise of equals amongst equals that was the foundation to the armistice was renagued upon the fuse was lit but not by the Germans.
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Not quite. - the basis of the armistice was that following the cessation of fighting there would be a peace conference involving all parties to agree the way forward based on the principle of each member being "an equal amongst equals" (rejected by America that soured Japanese and American relations and led to Pearl a tad over 20 years later)

At the Paris peace conference 1920 where Germany was totally ignored and the promise of equals amongst equals that was the foundation to the armistice was renagued upon the fuse was lit but not by the Germans.
Germany didn't sign the treaty?
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Germany didn't sign the treaty?
No. The German foreign minister signed but he was not entitled to by
the Weimar Republic. Germany more than any country of the Central Powers was stitched up.
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