21-10-2018, 09:01 AM
111
Re: Is Democracy Dead?
Originally Posted by Moscow
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A minority can't change it's status.
i.e.
a LGBT person is thus and always shall be.
An person's skin colour is thus and always shall be.
A person's ethnicity is thus and always shall be
21-10-2018, 11:03 AM
112
Re: Is Democracy Dead?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Since you have no constitution, you have no democracy, the minority who voted 'remain' is not protected from the majority. So you are right, the UK is not a democracy but a what?
We HAVE had a constitution for 100s of years. The BRITISH CONSTITUTION. It may not be nicely written down in one huge document, but it DOES exist. It comprises the great constitutional elements put in place years ago like the Magna Carta.
It includes:
COMMON LAW
The DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
The BILL OF RIGHTS
The FIRST STATUTE OF WESTMINSTER
The CORONATION OATH
These are laws and rights put in place to PROTECT THE PEOPLE from tyrants and usurpers.
Unfortunately over a period of some 40 years a group of tyrants have, by pure stealth, underhand tactics, and fraud, ridden roughshod over those important constitutional elements and sold the UK down the river into the EU.
Those were and remain acts of pure treason, for which the various politicians and prime ministers and the plethora of other "Common Purpose" stooges should be held accountable, each on put on trial for treason.
The Declaration and Bill of Rights, as an example, state clearly that:
"no foreign prince, person, prelate, state, or potentate hath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence, or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm"
It was and remains therefore wholly unconstitutional to draft and agree each of the EU Treaties which have effectively handed the UK over into the controlling hands of the EU, a foreign state.
To restore the balance and respect and uphold the British Constitution we clearly have to:
1) Leave the EU
2) Repeal each of the EU Treaties
3) Restore the British Constitution
4) Put on trial all the UK traitors who took us fraudulently into the EU in the first place
5) Establish laws to ensure that no politician or prime minister can ever again run roughshod over the British Constitution.
The Declaration/Bill of Rights also stated that citizens have the following rights:
• The right to bear arms
• The right to petition the Sovereign
• Free men cannot be imprisoned without cause
• The Government cannot arrest any man because he disagrees with the Government’s policies
• Habeas corpus is not to be denied
• No person will be compelled to make loans to the King, and there will be no tax without the approval of Parliament
• Soldiers and sailors will not be billeted on civilians
• Government will not impose martial law during peacetime
Sadly all of the above are now threatened by the emerging EU Federal State.
In particular the virtually sacred (and assumed/expected by millions of UK citizens) principle of "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVED GUILTY" (Habeus Corpus) is already under threat.
The EU federalists have been trying to bring in Corpus Juris which is the exact opposite. Corpus Juris is "Guilty until/unless you can prove your innocence".
The EU State Police thus have the power to sieze anyone off the street for whatever reason and detain them for months, sometimes years WITHOUT any solid evidence and without trial. It falls to the hapless victim to then try to prove their innocence which is pretty difficult whilst held in a cell !
This kind of totalitarian nonsense is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to freedom, democracy and the life that most UK people take for granted.
If we stay in the EU, all will be lost. We will be absorbed into a totalitarian 1984 Orwellian distopian state where it will be illegal to question the ruling body and where citizens have little to no rights.
We must LEAVE and restore the British Constitution which has existed for 100s of years.
21-10-2018, 11:11 AM
113
Re: Is Democracy Dead?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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That's very true. Isn't it all bribery and corruption? But I suppose it must happen everywhere.
In the past this had led to some unexpected outcomes of parliamental voting. Makes for interesting politics.
21-10-2018, 11:24 AM
115
Re: Is Democracy Dead?
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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Here dear ! Firstly some of your points of why we should stay are not really reason at all. We've had maternity pay since the 1940's, We always had holiday pay (or we did which ever job I had). Clean air etc. is not being met by this country, health care on holiday.. we always paid insurance for health care on holiday, at least since the early 1970's when I was travelling abroad with a passport. The rest of the points I can't remember, but they equate to nothing in relation to why we should stay in the EU.
Let's take this for example firstly :
Various federalist organisations have been created over time supporting the idea of a federal Europe. These include the Union of European Federalists, the European Movement International and the European Federalist Party. The Union of European Federalists (UEF) is a European non-governmental organisation, campaigning for a Federal Europe. It consists of 20 constituent organisations and it has been active at the European, national and local levels for more than 50 years. The European Movement International is a lobbying association that coordinates the efforts of associations and national councils with the goal of promoting European integration, and disseminating information about it. The European Federalist Party is the pro-European, pan-European and federalist political party which advocates further integration of the EU and the establishment of a Federal Europe. Its aim is to gather all Europeans to promote European federalism and to participate in all elections all over Europe. It has national sections in 15 countries.
So the general movement is in full swing.
Next, we have the planned Euro for all member states of the EU and intentions to raise taxes across the Union.
2030 Strategy is moving further towards integration with regard to Prison services, education, and health services.
The European Union is planning a power grab for the UK welfare state in a bid to take control of pensions, benefits and the minimum wage.
Due to the crumbling economy of Europe the ECB has been printing money for the last 3 years. It has been decided to cease this coming December after printing 2.5 Trillion Euros. We know what happens with QE but on such a grand scale is bound to have further repercussions.
Last but not least we will have to put our lives in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and tw..s like these: French president said it was Junkers sciatica to blame !! A bonding trip ! Happy days......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oecvYFq_wi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU
Oh yes, ad there are seven more countries, all poor and mainly Muslim countries from the eastern block ,waiting to join the European Union. What chance Democracy ?
PD my reasons for voting remain are based on as the EU is NOW and not on things that may or may not happen in the future.
Sadly your reference to the additional countries being Muslim ( as if that matters) does give a hint as to your political right wing leanings. (no surprise there)
Your references to 'you tube' clips doesn't make sense either as I can see no reason to present them as being a reason for leaving.
21-10-2018, 11:27 AM
116
Re: Is Democracy Dead?
Originally Posted by Realist
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Actually this is wholly incorrect.We HAVE had a constitution for 100s of years. The BRITISH CONSTITUTION. It may not be nicely written down in one huge document, but it DOES exist. It comprises the great constitutional elements put in place years ago like the Magna Carta.
It includes:
COMMON LAW
The DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
The BILL OF RIGHTS
The FIRST STATUTE OF WESTMINSTER
The CORONATION OATH
These are laws and rights put in place to PROTECT THE PEOPLE from tyrants and usurpers.
Unfortunately over a period of some 40 years a group of tyrants have, by pure stealth, underhand tactics, and fraud, ridden roughshod over those important constitutional elements and sold the UK down the river into the EU.
Those were and remain acts of pure treason, for which the various politicians and prime ministers and the plethora of other "Common Purpose" stooges should be held accountable, each on put on trial for treason.
The Declaration and Bill of Rights, as an example, state clearly that:
"no foreign prince, person, prelate, state, or potentate hath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence, or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm"
It was and remains therefore wholly unconstitutional to draft and agree each of the EU Treaties which have effectively handed the UK over into the controlling hands of the EU, a foreign state.
To restore the balance and respect and uphold the British Constitution we clearly have to:
1) Leave the EU
2) Repeal each of the EU Treaties
3) Restore the British Constitution
4) Put on trial all the UK traitors who took us fraudulently into the EU in the first place
5) Establish laws to ensure that no politician or prime minister can ever again run roughshod over the British Constitution.
The Declaration/Bill of Rights also stated that citizens have the following rights:
• The right to bear arms
• The right to petition the Sovereign
• Free men cannot be imprisoned without cause
• The Government cannot arrest any man because he disagrees with the Government’s policies
• Habeas corpus is not to be denied
• No person will be compelled to make loans to the King, and there will be no tax without the approval of Parliament
• Soldiers and sailors will not be billeted on civilians
• Government will not impose martial law during peacetime
Sadly all of the above are now threatened by the emerging EU Federal State.
In particular the virtually sacred (and assumed/expected by millions of UK citizens) principle of "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVED GUILTY" (Habeus Corpus) is already under threat.
The EU federalists have been trying to bring in Corpus Juris which is the exact opposite. Corpus Juris is "Guilty until/unless you can prove your innocence".
The EU State Police thus have the power to sieze anyone off the street for whatever reason and detain them for months, sometimes years WITHOUT any solid evidence and without trial. It falls to the hapless victim to then try to prove their innocence which is pretty difficult whilst held in a cell !
This kind of totalitarian nonsense is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to freedom, democracy and the life that most UK people take for granted.
If we stay in the EU, all will be lost. We will be absorbed into a totalitarian 1984 Orwellian distopian state where it will be illegal to question the ruling body and where citizens have little to no rights.
We must LEAVE and restore the British Constitution which has existed for 100s of years.
21-10-2018, 11:31 AM
117
Re: Is Democracy Dead?
It was and remains therefore wholly unconstitutional to draft and agree each of the EU Treaties which have effectively handed the UK over into the controlling hands of the EU, a foreign state.The EU is NOT a state and therefore your argument does not stand.
It is a UNION of states, I would have thought that as a realist as your non deplume would suggest that you would have known that.
21-10-2018, 11:36 AM
118
Re: Is Democracy Dead?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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In our constitution it says that members of parliament and in municipality councils can vote "free of burden or consultation". Meaning that party discipline cannot alter choices and personal consience is leading.In the past this had led to some unexpected outcomes of parliamental voting. Makes for interesting politics.
21-10-2018, 11:41 AM
120
Re: Is Democracy Dead?
Originally Posted by Nom
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Is democracy dead, no but as you see a tiny handful are doing their best to subvert it.
Don't forget that Brexit will not fix the above.
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