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The problem with the EU rules is that if we want to send these people back to their country of origin we have to apply to the ECJ and go through the whole legal system that takes years to process. Even then there is no guarantee because of human rights la la la

In the meantime, we have to still house them, fund them, educate them etc until the trial comes to court (which could be years and years away). Then finally we have the costs involved which are astronomical (multiply this by thousands of people) and at the end of the (many) years this takes to process ...

1. They may have had kids that are UK citizens - more complicated

2. Have a job and an income so "qualify" to be here

3. Married to a Brit

4. Develop an "illness"

etc

So it becomes totally unaffordable to go through the EU route of deporting people - it takes too long, costs thousands and thousands (even millions sometimes) to process. The longer it goes on, the harder it gets, the more expensive it gets and the crazier it gets.

Then if, the people do finally get deported, they just come back 3 months later and it all starts again.

When we follow the EU rules on deporting illegal immigrants, (no surprise) it becomes a complete waste of time and money and delivers little chance of success. So we just fund them here.

Oh ... and Schengen has nothing to do with immigration, it is only for border control.

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Getting back to your original post, Ted, in yesterday's paper it said quite a lot about this.
Let me quote some of it:


" An intelligence dossier said Beijing LIED over human-to-human transmission, REFUSED to help other nations develop vaccines and DESTROYED virus samples.

"The damning verdict came from the Five Eyes Security alliance - the pooling of intelligence by the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Donal Trump says: "Certainly it could have been stopped, they could have capped it."

The document says: " Despite evidence of the human-to-human transmission from early December, authorities denied it until 20th January. The WHO did the same.
Yet Taiwan raised concerns as early as Dec. 31st, as did experts in Hong Kong on 4th January."

The report says China censored internet searches from December 31st.
It's National Health Commission reportedly ordered virus samples to be destroyed. And China imposed internal travel bans but told the world restrictions were unnecessary.

"Experts trying to raise the alarm have either vanished or been punished, the file says.
Researcher Huang Yan Ling, thought to be 'patient zero' has not been seen for weeks and her biography was deleted on the Wuhan Institute of Virology website.
The Institute insists she is alive.

Others, including businessman Fang Bin, lawyer Chen Qiushi and ex-TV reporter Li Zehua, are reportedly in detention centres for speaking out.

"China faces a wave of lawsuits for injuries and damages. Three have been filed in the US.

Ironically, China kargely controls the sale of personal protective equipment. And it looks set to become the world's largest economy - ahead of the virus-crippled US."

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From my perspective, the newspapers are, now, focussing on the failures of the various Countries, to prepare and implement.

The UK especially.

In other words, the blame is being shifted, from those who were at the source of the spread, onto the victims!

I'm not suggesting that we should be absolved of all blame, for the spread, but we must remain aware of who we felt had created the ticking time bomb and handed it to us.

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They are two separate issues.

Every country has a pandemic plan, whether they enacted it well or quickly enough is a separate issue from any investigation into the origin of Covid19

Australia could lose billions of dollars every year under a Chinese boycott of universities, tourism and agriculture as tensions intensify between Beijing and Canberra over the handling of the coronavirus outbreak.

Foreign Minister Marise Payne on Monday slapped down China's unprecedented threat of economic retaliation for the Morrison government's push for a global review into the origin and handling of COVID-19, as national security experts warned Australia needed to reduce our economic reliance on our biggest export market.

It will be a different world when things start to return to normal

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...of-a-trade-war

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For my money, there's only one issue.

That is that a Country can, accidentally, or deliberately, get away with creating a killer virus and, more importantly, suppress knowledge of the existence of that virus, such that millions die as a result.

Then say it didn't happen and paint themselves in as a cooperative helpful, caring Country.

If we put trade, with such a country, before human rights, we are done for.

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They didn't create it, only Trump and his cronies claim that to divert attention from their stupidity. Most respectable experts say there is absolutely no evidence of it being created in a laboratory.

The Chinese may have initially not been upfront about its existence but they didn't create it. It could have occurred in any country. eg Australian bats created the deadly Hendra virus.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-...n-a-lab-rumour

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In a medical centre in the eastern city of Xuzhou, a few dozen healthy adults have become some of the first to trial a vaccine candidate for the coronavirus.

They are among a small group of people in China, the US and Britain who are pioneering the first human trials of different potential vaccines for COVID-19.

According to the Chinese company behind the Xuzhou vaccine, Sinovac Biotech, they are working around the clock.

"Normally the development of a vaccine will take eight to 10 years," senior director of overseas business for Sinovac Meng Weining said.

"For this vaccine, it's really a pandemic, so we're trying our best to make it as quick as possible for each step."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...ccine/12223120

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It won't concern me Bruce, because I won't be having no vaccine.....

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Yes, they are set to make a lot of money.

Bit worried about the quoted history of screwed up trials, though!

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According to the news this evening the Chinese tests have a problem because the cases of Covid19 in China are few and far between which makes it very hard to test the effectiveness of the vaccine. They are having to go overseas for suitable environments.