03-09-2020, 12:12 PM
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Re: Fisheries Bill ...
Originally Posted by Bread
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Fast forward to about 12m 15s to hear what he had to say about fisheries. To me, this is Barnier at the end of the road on trying to get the UK to give fishing rights to EU vessels and getting us to sign up to the level playing field. It's just not going to happen and he is starting to panic. He is already trying to shift blame onto the UK and accusing us of not negotiating, when he has had our draft legal texts for over 6 months and our offer of a quota free FTA on the table as well. He is starting to realise that we will leave the withdrawal agreement on 1st January 2021 with or without a deal and the fisheries bill is being made into UK law, making it illegal for EU vessels to fish our territorial waters without a license from the UK and fishing according to UK laws, including our rules on sustainability, environment and conservation.
Sounds a bit like: here are the terms on which you may grant us a trade deal. Take it or leave it.
However hard to realise, but your colonial days are over. You're now for the EU a simple third country, like any other and treated as such.
03-09-2020, 12:43 PM
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Re: Fisheries Bill ...
Originally Posted by Gaz55
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About time Boris told them to F.....EU...UK off! Protect our fisherman's livelihoods!
If the government now declares these sales void without compensation, don't you think that government is taken to the international courts?
03-09-2020, 02:26 PM
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Re: Fisheries Bill ...
Originally Posted by Solasch
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In the 1990's many of the english fish quota were sold by fishers to foreign companies. They got good money for that.If the government now declares these sales void without compensation, don't you think that government is taken to the international courts?
Quotas only last for a year and have to be renewed annualy
The uk fishers that sold their quotas had to apply each year to
renew them in order to sell them again! Or that was what should
have happened anyway !!
The quotas ars only rented for a year at a time by the fishers and
NEVER belong to them !!
As you will soon find out??
Donkeyman! 👍👍😁😁👍👍
03-09-2020, 02:54 PM
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Re: Fisheries Bill ...
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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How many times must you be told Solly!Quotas only last for a year and have to be renewed annualy
The uk fishers that sold their quotas had to apply each year to
renew them in order to sell them again! Or that was what should
have happened anyway !!
The quotas ars only rented for a year at a time by the fishers and
NEVER belong to them !!
As you will soon find out??
Donkeyman! 👍👍😁😁👍👍
So far donks, you are right, but:
While the EU’s total TAC figure changes from one year to the next, the share of the TAC each member state gets does not. This is due to the principle of ‘relative stability’, according to which each member state receives a fixed share based on how much of the stock concerned it was fishing during a reference period between 1973 and 1978.*
Each member state has discretion as to how it allocates that share among fishers. While some member states allocate quota based on socioeconomic and regional development considerations, the UK has opted to treat quota allocations as quasi-property rights that can be bought, sold and leased out. This has led to a significant concentration of quota allocations: Greenpeace calculated in 2018 that over a quarter of UK quota rights were held by just five families.[1]*
UK quotas can also be sold to non-UK companies. The UK also allows fishers to sell their vessels*and the attached quota on to others, including non-UK nationals – for example, over 90% of the UK’s quota for herring in certain parts of the North Sea is held by vessels owned by EU companies.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ship-fisheries
03-09-2020, 02:54 PM
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Re: Fisheries Bill ...
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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How many times must you be told Solly!Quotas only last for a year and have to be renewed annualy
The uk fishers that sold their quotas had to apply each year to
renew them in order to sell them again! Or that was what should
have happened anyway !!
The quotas ars only rented for a year at a time by the fishers and
NEVER belong to them !!
As you will soon find out??
Donkeyman! 👍👍😁😁👍👍
Absolutely spot on DM !
The UK will be allocating quotas and not EU for UK territorial waters. The first time since about 40 years
03-09-2020, 02:59 PM
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Re: Fisheries Bill ...
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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How many times must you be told Solly!Quotas only last for a year and have to be renewed annualy
The uk fishers that sold their quotas had to apply each year to
renew them in order to sell them again! Or that was what should
have happened anyway !!
The quotas ars only rented for a year at a time by the fishers and
NEVER belong to them !!
As you will soon find out??
Donkeyman! 👍👍😁😁👍👍
Where the EU wants quota shares to be fixed permanently, the UK wants the agreement to provide for annual negotiations on access to UK and EU waters. Those negotiations would cover both the TAC and quota shares, and if agreement was not reached in any given year then EU vessels’ right to fish in UK waters (and vice versa) would automatically stop. This would, of course, not affect UK vessels that happened to be owned by EU companies.
03-09-2020, 03:08 PM
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Re: Fisheries Bill ...
Originally Posted by Bread
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Absolutely spot on DM !The UK will be allocating quotas and not EU for UK territorial waters. The first time since about 40 years
Even if the UK could catch more fish, it might find itself unable to sell it. Without a deal, the EU would impose its most favoured nation tariffs on UK exports of fish and fisheries products. Fish tariffs vary from species to species: on some major UK catches such as herring and mackerel they are zero. On other species like salmon and certain shellfish, however, they exceed 10%. Given that around 70% of UK seafood exports go to the EU, this could have a serious adverse effect on fishers’ businesses. One study by Wageningen University suggests that while UK fishing would gain US$420 million (just under £ 400m at current exchange rates) from having exclusive access to UK waters, it would lose US$500 million from the imposition of tariffs and non-tariff barriers on its exports.[7]
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