11-07-2019, 01:14 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by APRICOT
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They say he thinks rather highly of himself, so perhaps he thinks what you set out in the first part of your post Ted doesn"t apply to him 
Ambassador to the US is just about the top position .
For a boy from a council estate he has done extraordinarily well.
11-07-2019, 01:24 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by Tedc
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Telegraph is saying, today, that some newspaper will reveal more leaked nasties this coming weekend.Some of it about Boris.
11-07-2019, 01:30 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by Tedc
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If former Civil Servants still have full access to confidential information then all is lost.I've just taken the liberty of asking my MP if this prevails in the UK.
Small wonder that the papers get the info!
Leaking is usually a political act, aimed at the political consequences. Darroch's resigning is then regarded collateral damage.
11-07-2019, 03:38 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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Swimmy, we all know you won't have a bad word said about our Civil Servants, but sorry, someone did this deliberately to first, anger the US President, and secondly, to try to foster bad feeling and damage the relationship between the US and the UK. No-one has said it was Kim himself that is responsible for the leaked documents, but he must surely know who had access to same and investigated. Instead, we heard not a peep from him. Why not?
Once upon a time, our Civil Servants were the most highly respected group in the world. Never seen nor heard, but the backbone of any party in government. NEVER once, were there any such thing as document leakage.
Nowadays, they not only believe they can do, say and act how they want, they actually believe it is they, and not any government cabinet running the country.
It is about time they were put back into their box and made known that they can be sacked for the slightest wrongdoing
They have become much too big for their own boots..
I have sacked Public Servants, my own staff, for improper behavior.
I did so without giving them a payoff or using a Non Disclosure Agreement.
The only reference they ever got was handed to them personally by me.
It read
"This person was dismissed for Gross Professional Misconduct"
All Confidential Communications, including emails are sent on a secure system.
Retired Officers, such as myself, lose their access immediately.
The only exception is if you have any ongoing cases where you may have information and knowledge which may be relevant.
Even then, the only access to the system is to directly respond to a query about that specific matter.
You do not have access to anything else, most certainly not new stuff.
Like Solasch, we do meet old colleagues from time to time.
We do not talk about work however, unlike Solasch.
That is totally out of bounds.
There are four possibilities here.
One, the information was leaked by a Civil Servant.
Two, the information was leaked by a Politician.
Three, it was leaked by a Foreign Agency who the information was shared with.
Fourth, it was hacked or obtained illegally.
Everybody spies on everyone else and Black Ops are commonplace.
If it was a Civil Servant, they need to be identified and dismissed.
That is straight forward.
The other 3 scenarios are Political, so the end result is in the lap of the Gods.
11-07-2019, 04:31 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiLike Solasch, we do meet old colleagues from time to time.
We do not talk about work however, unlike Solasch.
That is totally out of bounds.
This leak is politically motivated, so imo can only be done by a politician. What would be interesting to know which side of the ocean.
11-07-2019, 04:34 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Wasn't it Blair who deliberately politicised the Civil Service?Blair really is the askhoul that just doesn't stop giving.
11-07-2019, 04:48 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Wasn't it Blair who deliberately politicised the Civil Service?Blair really is the askhoul that just doesn't stop giving.
Yes, I agree with you.
Unfortunately he was so successful in doing so that it was eagerly seized upon by the Tories.
11-07-2019, 04:55 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThere are four possibilities here.
One, the information was leaked by a Civil Servant.
Two, the information was leaked by a Politician.
Three, it was leaked by a Foreign Agency who the information was shared with.
Fourth, it was hacked or obtained illegally.
Everybody spies on everyone else and Black Ops are commonplace.
The americans who never trusted the brits with secrets (too many moles in london) and want to discredit the british services?
The russians?
The french or germans, who want a piece of information from the five?
The iranians who don't want the brits to aid the americans.
Suggestions?
11-07-2019, 05:48 PM
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Re: Kim Darroch out
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThe other 3 scenarios are Political, so the end result is in the lap of the Gods.
I think trump is capable of making these mails public himself, just to be able to have darroch sacked.
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