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As medical knowledge re Aids or how to cure it was limited at the time it started -giving free medical treatment in the UK would have made no difference at all.
Indeed, and that is why you can compare the present risk of ebola coming to the UK with the risk of aids entering the UK in the past. And as you know, it did come to the UK, just because patients expected the free health care to offer a solution.
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27-06-2019, 04:20 PM
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Since 1988 we in the netherlands have such a number. And we use it for everything, taxes, insurance, health care insurance, car registration etc. For institutions it has advantages, all IT systems are connected, so our sovereign government knows god all about us. Our health insurance is based on this number, and it is also shown in our passports.

Immigrants applying for refugee status have to give a name. They are issued with a number and get a health insurance card. The insurance fee is paid by the government (just like for prisoners in jail). So if an immigrant needs medical care, it is not the hospital that pays for it.
Any so called asylum seeker who attempts to enter the UK via any EU country should be turned round at the border. Under the Dublin Convention they MUST apply at the first safe country they enter.

Illegal immigrants should be interned when detected until they assist in their return to where they belong. No assistance - no release from internment. Ever.

Better yet sub-contract the internment to some sub-Saharan third world country. The money it would cost would be less than keeping the burglars here and would motivate them to cooperate.

Otherwise compulsory medical insurance for all foreigners coming to OUR country.

Another big plus that will result from us kicking the horrible undemocratic corrupt EU into touch.
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27-06-2019, 04:24 PM
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Indeed, and that is why you can compare the present risk of ebola coming to the UK with the risk of aids entering the UK in the past. And as you know, it did come to the UK, just because patients expected the free health care to offer a solution.
I'd put those from countries with these horrible filth based diseases in quarantine just as we used to do with dogs.

6 months should do it, and paid for by themselves.
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27-06-2019, 05:04 PM
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We could of course send them over to the Netherlands for medical treatment and save the UK money that way
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27-06-2019, 05:31 PM
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Indeed, and that is why you can compare the present risk of ebola coming to the UK with the risk of aids entering the UK in the past. And as you know, it did come to the UK, just because patients expected the free health care to offer a solution.
There is no comparison whatsoever .
I have said it before but you must have missed it
Ebola is actually very hard to catch .
It is confined to a comparatively small part of Africa .

There has only EVER been one case and that was of a British nurse who was working with Ebola patients in Sierra Leone .

Of course once we start redirecting to the Netherlands even that tiny threat will disappear .
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27-06-2019, 05:37 PM
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There is no comparison whatsoever .
I have said it before but you must have missed it
Ebola is actually very hard to catch .
It is confined to a comparatively small part of Africa .

There has only EVER been one case and that was of a British nurse who was working with Ebola patients in Sierra Leone .

Of course once we start redirecting to the Netherlands even that tiny threat will disappear .
Nah. The Netherlands obviously have all the problems they need -- and THEN some.
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27-06-2019, 05:48 PM
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That's completely untrue. It's not the responsibility of doctors. Is it in their contracts that they should be border guards?


Is it in their contracts to involve in politics and the policy of the NHS.

I do not expect doctors to be involved in administration such as charging those not eligible for free treatment.

Nor do I expect them to make political demands on such flimsy grounds.

Racist? Which particular race is being discriminated against?
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27-06-2019, 06:33 PM
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There is no comparison whatsoever .
I have said it before but you must have missed it
Ebola is actually very hard to catch .
It is confined to a comparatively small part of Africa .

There has only EVER been one case and that was of a British nurse who was working with Ebola patients in Sierra Leone .

Of course once we start redirecting to the Netherlands even that tiny threat will disappear .
Doctors say there are important similarities — and differences — between HIV and Ebola; adding: We must be sure not to repeat the mistakes of the 1980s.

When America’s top disease prevention official compared Ebola to AIDS during a meeting of the World Bank in Washington, D.C. last week, he raised more than a few eyebrows.

“In the 30 years I've been working in public health, the only thing like this has been AIDS,”*said Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). “We have to work now so this is not the world’s next AIDS.”

Reactions to his comment ranged from fear to anger. Some argued that the United States should no longer allow travelers from Africa into the country lest the disease spread. Others were offended, noting that it took more than one dead patient before the U.S. government responded to HIV/AIDS in the 1980s and '90s.

President Ronald*Reagan did not speak to the nation*about AIDS until six years after the first recorded deaths,*according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

In fact, the Ebola virus and HIV*are*similar, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a representative of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA). A top official at a large U.S. AIDS services organization agreed, saying that to deny the similarities is to stigmatize Ebola in much the way the U.S. did with AIDS.

HIV and Ebola are both*viruses. Both emerged in Africa, Adalja noted, neither has a vaccine, and both are fatal if left untreated. Both are carried by host animals and then transmitted to humans, and both may have made that transition when hunters ate bush meat.
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27-06-2019, 06:39 PM
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Of course once we start redirecting to the Netherlands even that tiny threat will disappear .
That is why we throw you out of the EU: no more free movement of people from the UK.
You can keep every immigrant succeeding in reaching the UK.
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27-06-2019, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
It's time to restructure the NHS from root to branch.

It is no longer affordable.

Privatisation is the obvious solution, the best way would be to "boilerplate" the Swiss system to here in its entirety.
What makes you think privatisation will make healthcare in this country affordable?

They are starting to go the other way :

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/clinical...038426.article
 
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