Re: Massive seagulls
Originally Posted by
The Artful Todger
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There is absolutely no evidence that giving a laxative to a bird or a dog causes it pain or harm and I did remark that cat-topiary or coloring is not my bag.
In any case pimping a moggy is waay different from bonsai-ing the beasts. See
https://www.ding.net/bonsaikitten/gray.html but check it out fully!
Or is anywhere near as bad as - well I'll leave it at that because I really don't want to cause what I perceive to be genuine pain resulting from learning about such things.
On the other hand ---
There is overwhelming proof that the killing of foxes and an organised sport causes the roses extreme stress while being chased by dogs specially bred and trained to chase and kill them not to mention the agony that a fox goes through as it is being brutally killed.
Then shooting parties. Killing birds that have been deliberately bred and maintained just to be shot. Then only very seldom eaten by the bird killers but instead mostly sold to game dealers.
As for being no better etc?
Ask me if I care!
I have no idea what you were rambling on about there, but I will say that I am strongly against fox hunting & if you had been a member here for longer you would have read about the ones I care for, that come to my farmhouse garden most nights.
As for the game birds, of course they will sell any they are unlikely to eat, but those birds will just mean that one less chicken or joint of meat will be eaten. I have never shot one but I will eat one that somebody else shot, a bit like I don't kill cattle but still eat beef that were killed at the abattior! Do you really think that calves are not deliberately bred & maintained, just to be sent to the abattoir & sold for meat?
I assume that, as you are so against killing to eat, you must be vegetarian. If you are I would applaud you for trying to save lives, but point out that those creatures would never have been born if there was no market for them!
There will be no evidence of dogs suffering after being given laxatives, because if they were given to them & the owners didn't know, the vets would be unlikely to test for laxatives, to find the cause of suffering or death. Animal laxatives are tested and that is how they know what a suitable dose would be, that way they don't suffer if they heed to take them!
As for the seagulls, who do you think would test them for cause of death & they certainly don't attend the Gulls NHS clinic, but overdoses of laxatives can cause dehydration, weakness, fainting, and kidney damage in humans, so I expect that a dose for a human would be an overdose for a seagull or even a small dog!