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Ooooohhh - that sounds nice Sweetie darlin'. I remember one year we had Rabbit for Xmas dinner instead of Turkey or Chicken.

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It was a mixture of different Game Joe. We used to eat it cold on Boxing day. It was a big Pie made with Hot water pastry, like the pastry for Pork Pies.

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Cor fabulous!!! Good job I wasn't there - there'd be little left for anyone else!!!

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It was very rich Joe, one slice was more than ample.

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I grew up in the countryside in Scotland. Lots of game - grouse, pheasant, hare, geese, etc. We had them all, mostly baked but I don't recall any being made as a pie.

Four and twenty blackbirds..................?

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Well yes, I think way back they did. I have an original Mrs Beatons cookbook, hand engraved. I must dig it out. There are recipes from way back, plus tucked in among the pages, tips and recipes from both wars. It has been passed down to me through generations.
Would anyone be interested in some? Not something we might cook these days mind.

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My dear wife got a book written by the Two Fat Ladies. I don't know if you ever watched their cooking series on television. The book had some "interesting" recipes. Including some pies.

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No, I didn't. But let us have some more pie recipes eh?

Game Pie

INGREDIENTS

For the filling:
2½ lb/1 kg game meat (weight after trimming) – suggest 1½ lb (700 g) haunch or saddle of venison and 1 small hare, jointed, or any other combination
¾ level teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg
1 clove garlic, crushed
2-3 level tablespoons fresh chopped parsley
8 oz (225 g) thin unsmoked back bacon rashers
salt and freshly milled black pepper
5 fl oz (150 ml) tawny port
2 tablespoons brandy
½ level teaspoon dried thyme
butter, for greasing
1 lb (450 g) hard back pork fat
1 lb (450 g) lean pork
1¼ level teaspoons ground ginger
1¼ level teaspoons ground cinnamon
For the jellied stock:
4 allspice berries
salt
1 blade mace
6 whole black peppercorns
1 level teaspoon dried thyme
2 bay leaves
1 carrot
1 onion, stuck with 4 cloves
lemon juice
1 x 0.4 oz (11 g) sachet powdered gelatine
4 cloves
For the hot-water crust pastry:
1¼ lb (560 g) plain flour
¾ level teaspoon salt
1 level tablespoon icing sugar
¼ level teaspoon ground mace
7 oz (200 g) lard
beaten egg to glaze
EQUIPMENT
You will also need an 8 inch (20 cm) round cake tin with a removable base.

METHOD
Stage one starts off the day before you make the pie itself.

First trim all the game meat from the bones and cut it into ¼-½ inch (5 mm-1 cm) cubes, reserving all the bones and scraps for the stock. Any really scrappy pieces can be saved for mincing together with the pork the next day, and any sinewy bits can go in the stock. Place the cubed meat in a bowl, pour in the port and brandy, sprinkle with the thyme, salt and pepper, then stir well, cover and leave in a cool place to marinate overnight.

Next make the stock: place the game bones (plus bits) in a deep saucepan with enough cold water to cover. Add the spices and herbs for the jellied stock, together with the carrot and onion stuck with cloves (but don't add any salt). Bring to the boil and simmer gently for about 2 hours – you will need to skim the surface of the stock during the initial stages of the cooking. After that strain the stock into a fresh saucepan, discard all the debris and boil rapidly until it has reduced to about 1 pint (570 ml) and has a good flavour. Taste and season with salt and lemon juice as required, then whisk in the gelatine. Cover the mixture and chill overnight.

Stage two takes place the following day. Make sure the jellied stock has set and skim the surface thoroughly. Now butter your cake tin and pre-heat the oven to gas mark 2, 300°F (150°C). Next, finely mince together the pork fat, lean pork and any game scraps from the day before. Add the spices, garlic, parsley and a seasoning of salt and pepper: mix this thoroughly, then divide the mixture into four. Shape each quarter into a flat round slightly smaller than the diameter of the cake tin (wet your hands for this job to make it easier).

Now for the pastry: prepare the hot-water crust by sifting all the dry ingredients together in a bowl. Place the lard and 8 fl oz (250 ml) water in a saucepan and heat until the lard has melted and the water is boiling. Then immediately pour the liquid into the dry ingredients and stir with a spoon to form a dough. Turn the dough out on to a working surface and knead very lightly and briefly.

Now weigh 1 lb 5 oz (600 g) of the dough, reserving the rest for the 'lid', put it in a loosely folded plastic bag and let it cool a little before rolling it out to a round similar in diameter to that of the cake tin. Place the round of dough in the tin, then gradually work it from the centre of the base and up the sides of the tin. Work your way round the tin, using your curled-up fingers as a pad, gently squeezing the dough up the side and just over the rim. Make sure the pastry is as even as possible with no obvious cracks or thin places.

Next line the inside of the pastry mould with the bacon rashers, cutting them level with the top of the tin. Place a round of the pork mixture in the base and pat it out to fit the interior. Now cover that with a third of the marinated game and its juices. Repeat this layering twice more and finish off with a pork mixture layer. Roll out the rest of the dough to a round suitable for a lid, glaze the inside of the dough with egg and press into position on top of the pie. Squeeze the edges together and trim down with scissors to give an edge of about ½ inch (1 cm) standing up proud. Next turn the edge firmly over inwards, pressing it down with the prongs of a fork. Make a steam hole in the top, then re-roll the pastry trimmings and cut out diamond-shaped leaves to decorate the lid.

Now lay a sheet of foil over the top and bake for 2½ hours, then remove from the oven. Leave the pie for 30-45 minutes to firm up, then turn up the oven temperature to gas mark 5, 375°F (190°C). Carefully remove the pie from the tin and brush the pastry all over with egg. If the sides show any sign of bulging, encircle the pie with a band of silicone paper (parchment) and tie with string. Return the pie to the oven and as the pastry continues baking it will firm up (if you used the paper, you will gradually be able to peel it away, but add a litle more egg to the unglazed parts) and all the pastry will brown - it will take approximately 30 minutes. As the top will brown before the sides, it will need to be protected with foil while th sides finish browning.

When the pie is a glowing golden colour remove from the oven, leave to cool, then cover and chill. Meanwhile have the jellied stock warmed slightly (by sitting it in a bowl of hot water), then cool it to the syrupy stage and pour it into the pie very gradually via the steam hole (as much as it will take). Chill again to give the jelly a chance to set and then - believe it or not - it's ready to serve.

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I look at it a different way from them, in that case. The place should remain closed down until the source is found. Leaving food out accidentally in restaurants happens. I worked in food service for a good number of years, from restaurants to donut shops to dietary in nursing homes. The person who leaves the food out accidentally isn't the problem. The problem is the idiot who serves the food that's been left out.

Chipotle has a nice little track record of people getting sick eating there. This wasn't the first time and it probably won't be the last, as long as the place remains in business. Supposedly all Chipotle employees all around the country were put through training classes to refresh their memories of how to properly store and serve food and I don't think that's going to help. I think the place is done. You couldn't pay me to walk back through the doors of ANY of their restaurants and just about everyone I know, including a couple of diehard Chipotle fans, have said the same.

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I LOVE Two Fat Ladies. I have all of their shows. Rest their souls.