Until the Chinese pandemic was released we used to visit Russia quite frequently. What is presented to The West by the MSM is mostly a load of dingoes kidneys.

By the way I came across something very similar last year where an Italian disease specialist video was subtitled with completely fake news. It was apparently making out he was denying Covid in Italy was as bad as it was made out to be. It was completely false of course. Takes advantage of the fact that people don't bother to check or can't speak the language. The video subtitles contradicted every research paper, newspaper quote and interview that this professor had submitted or given to Italian media. It was a real eye opener as to how fake news works.


Someone here also posted an apparently official extract from Covid research (I think this was about young people), which when you googled the first part it revealed that they had reproduced part of a research result faithfully but then doctored the rest of the text to suit the political message of covid denial. The post ended up being deleted for whatever reason as the poster was some sort of spammer I think but again it was a real insight as to how easy it is to twist the truth and how people will believe it if they see in in writing.

I also think the government or 'The Establishment' are also subject to posting fake news, in fact I'm sure they do,

Yes I totally agree with you Annie, but I also think the government or 'The Establishment' are also subject to posting fake news, in fact I'm sure they do, to ensure the people give the reaction that they want. Obviously they are not going to sign it 'The Government' are they....

The fake news our government and establishment give out is kindergarten level compared to that which comes out of Russia, Foxy. We are only playing at it. Although theirs would only be believed by kindergarten Kinder.

over there everyone knows whats going on though because they are used to it always being that way. Over here it's subtle and most people believe the media. Others make up conspiracies about the media. Others make up videos or memes and circulate them. It's chaotic. The only way you know what's really going on is if you speak to someone involved yourself.

I'm sorry, Todger, but I don't consider you a reliable witness. What you present is mostly the external organs of the Dingo.

That's OK - I'm obviously biased for a variety of reasons. For one thing my family associations, for another I like Russia, especially the Northern region but stopping short of Siberia! OK for a long weekend but that's about all. Same with JAO. Bit too far in the sticks.

What I will repeat though is that the MSM mostly present a totally distorted picture about Russia and also about Vlad and how the guy in the street feel about him ---- he likes him.

I do realise, Todger, that we have to make a distinction between the people of a country and its government. I don't know what Russian people are like, so I wouldn't make any assertions about them. Putin, on the other hand, is a ruthless, power-hungry tyrant. Even if we discount 90% of what we hear about him, that is still obvious.

And to say that we demonise him doesn't really wash. After some of the stunts he's pulled, we would be fully justified in imposing the most extreme sanctions we can get away with -whatever they might be . But we don't. We just make feeble complaints, which Putin probably forgets about as soon as he's stopped laughing.

The situation with China isn't much different.