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12-06-2021, 07:23 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

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Tell ya what - how about spelling out a couple of Putin's "stunts"?
You've caught me out, Todger. Apart from some little misdemeanours, like having his critics assassinated, arranging for his political opponents to be thrown into prison, rigging elections, hacking into our computer networks with the intention of causing mayhem, and trying to bite off a chunk of Ukraine, I am at a complete loss as to think of anything.
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12-06-2021, 08:58 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

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You've caught me out, Todger. Apart from some little misdemeanours, like having his critics assassinated, arranging for his political opponents to be thrown into prison, rigging elections, hacking into our computer networks with the intention of causing mayhem, and trying to bite off a chunk of Ukraine, I am at a complete loss as to think of anything.
The Ukraine is an interesting one because the Ukraine is a part of Russia to begin with. It was the mischievous intervention of the EU driven by the USA in an attempt to prevent Russia having year round ice free access to the world's seas that set that shameful attempt to begin.

As for the rest what is there that is different from what the West has done and still doing?
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12-06-2021, 09:08 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

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As for the rest what is there that is different from what the West has done and still doing?
I'm sure that most here will be familiar with the instances I mentioned, but I, for one, am not familiar with those that you are suggesting.
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12-06-2021, 11:07 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
The Ukraine is an interesting one because the Ukraine is a part of Russia to begin with. It was the mischievous intervention of the EU driven by the USA in an attempt to prevent Russia having year round ice free access to the world's seas that set that shameful attempt to begin.

As for the rest what is there that is different from what the West has done and still doing?
"The" Ukraine? don't you mean Ukraine?
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12-06-2021, 11:17 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

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mostly 80 km se Moscow and 50 km due s of at Petersburg (Leningrad as was) but also visits to relations elsewhere. Only problems encountered were things with wings and stings in the summer and early autumn.
Those places sound like the middle of nowhere. Wasn't it St Petersburg before it was Leningrad? It's funny you should support the reds given you are so pro Rand.
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13-06-2021, 10:50 AM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

You always know when you've got the upper hand in a discussion because the one lacking a response resorts to correcting bad spelling and grammar....

This should be in 'Thought for the Day'....
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13-06-2021, 01:14 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

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Those places sound like the middle of nowhere. Wasn't it St Petersburg before it was Leningrad? It's funny you should support the reds given you are so pro Rand.

Annie, Russia since the early 90's has been anything but "red".
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13-06-2021, 01:18 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

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"The" Ukraine? don't you mean Ukraine?
We've always revered to The Ukraine in that way because that's how we always knew it and still do.
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13-06-2021, 01:38 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

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We've always revered to The Ukraine in that way because that's how we always knew it and still do.

"The Ukraine" is considered insulting by Ukrainians. it's a sovereign state, not a province of Russia. There was a furore when Obama used this term back in 2014.

“Ukraine is a country,” says William Taylor, who served as the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009. “The Ukraine is the way the Russians referred to that part of the country during Soviet times … Now that it is a country, a nation, and a recognized state, it is just Ukraine. And it is incorrect to refer to the Ukraine, even though a lot of people do it.”

In recent weeks, as the upheaval in Ukraine has escalated, many journalists and U.S. Administration officials and pundits have been guilty of the same sin as Obama, who usually gets it right. Though such slips are not meant to be slights, they can still rankle people from a nation that became independent in 1991 and is now fighting to maintain stable autonomy as Russian boots step onto their soil. Taylor says that the diaspora, those Ukrainians now abroad and hearing reports about their homeland in English, are particularly sensitive to this definite article. “Whenever they hear the Ukraine, they fume,” Taylor says. “It kind of denies their independence, denies their sovereignty.



https://time.com/12597/the-ukraine-or-ukraine/
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13-06-2021, 01:39 PM
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Re: Vladimir Putin's Speech.

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Annie, Russia since the early 90's has been anything but "red".
Leningrad is the red name for the city. At least you don't still think of it as Stalingrad....
 
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