07-10-2019, 04:35 PM
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Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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It's ordinary working people going about doing their ordinary jobs in the ordinary way that is the problem.
How, then, should we change?
Perhaps we should all refuse to go in to work and camp out on the streets of London to stop all the rest of the ordinary working people from doing their jobs?
Would that improve the country?
07-10-2019, 06:29 PM
112
Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by JBR
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Isn't it ordinary working people who keep this country going?How, then, should we change?
Perhaps we should all refuse to go in to work and camp out on the streets of London to stop all the rest of the ordinary working people from doing their jobs?
Would that improve the country?
Life and lifestyles have to change. What we continue to do is quite simply unsustainable.
We've had the agrecultural revolution, the industrial revolution, even the information revolution. Now we are starting the environmental revolution - and about time too.p
07-10-2019, 06:32 PM
113
Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by JBR
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Isn't it ordinary working people who keep this country going?How, then, should we change?
Perhaps we should all refuse to go in to work and camp out on the streets of London to stop all the rest of the ordinary working people from doing their jobs?
Would that improve the country?
07-10-2019, 07:12 PM
114
Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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It's the direction that this and other countries "have been going" that is so detrimental to the environment.Life and lifestyles have to change. What we continue to do is quite simply unsustainable.
We've had the agrecultural revolution, the industrial revolution, even the information revolution. Now we are starting the environmental revolution - and about time too.p
What specific steps could we take to make this, and other countries better?
I don't think the anarchists have managed to explain that yet, or if they have I haven't heard the details.
07-10-2019, 07:21 PM
115
Re: Climate Change.
Surely there are enough Scientific Boffins, around the world, to establish a real & acceptable plan to prevent the disaster which pundits keep telling us about.They have to get past the sceptics who have watched trees being cut down, plastics being ground down and buried, or thrown into the sea, and how about nuclear waste?
Those are the "solutions" we have heard to date.
07-10-2019, 07:32 PM
116
Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by Tedc
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Surely there are enough Scientific Boffins, around the world, to establish a real & acceptable plan to prevent the disaster which pundits keep telling us about.They have to get past the sceptics who have watched trees being cut down, plastics being ground down and buried, or thrown into the sea, and how about nuclear waste?
Those are the "solutions" we have heard to date.
Nikola Tesla had many ideas which were ignored, and much of his research ideas were curtailed by big business by those who had amassed their fortunes by following different routes. It took several decades before his ideas started to become the norm, at great cost in terms of progress and environment.
07-10-2019, 07:39 PM
117
Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by Tedc
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Surely there are enough Scientific Boffins, around the world, to establish a real & acceptable plan to prevent the disaster which pundits keep telling us about.They have to get past the sceptics who have watched trees being cut down, plastics being ground down and buried, or thrown into the sea, and how about nuclear waste?
Those are the "solutions" we have heard to date.
I can certainly help there.
I agree about trees not being cut down, though if they are cut down for the use of good timber it would be acceptable if replacements were planted in similar numbers.
If plastics are not recyclable, and some are of course, they should indeed be ground down and buried, but not thrown in the sea. Plastic buried in the ground cannot be eaten by fish and can not harm anyone if buried sufficiently deeply.
Nuclear waste is also not a problem if disposed of correctly. As I understand it, the safest procedure is to vitrify the containers and bury them deep. Disused mine shafts cold be a good idea: very deep and locations well identified to avoid future intrusion.
07-10-2019, 09:56 PM
118
Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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It's ordinary working people going about doing their ordinary jobs in the ordinary way that is the problem. The key word is ordinary, closely related to familiar.
It is ordinary that is at the root of the huge and burgeoning problem.
What today is ordinary has to be changed.
Change is never easy and usually never popular. It often means entering the unknown, loosing ones groove, strangeness, and fear.
But it has to take place.
07-10-2019, 10:01 PM
119
Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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It's the direction that this and other countries "have been going" that is so detrimental to the environment.Life and lifestyles have to change. What we continue to do is quite simply unsustainable.
We've had the agrecultural revolution, the industrial revolution, even the information revolution. Now we are starting the environmental revolution - and about time too.p
What type of people are "extraordinary"?
How can these people make a change and in what way?
And finally, how can you change the mindset of the majority billions to a new way of life?
This is not Hollywood sci-fi mate, it's real life and it cannot be achieved by fantasy, much as we'd like a solution.
07-10-2019, 10:17 PM
120
Re: Climate Change.
Originally Posted by Floydy
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And how do we put your plan into practice, Todg?What type of people are "extraordinary"?
How can these people make a change and in what way?
And finally, how can you change the mindset of the majority billions to a new way of life?
This is not Hollywood sci-fi mate, it's real life and it cannot be achieved by fantasy, much as we'd like a solution.
It's funny how so much effort is being made to persuade us in the UK to change our ways to 'save the planet', when far more damage to the environment is taking place in countries such as China and India.
I wonder why. Is it perhaps that any such demonstrations held in those two exemplary countries would be met with far more stringent responses, and the demonstrators are too cowardly to chance their arms over there?
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