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01-05-2020, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
I must agree with you Annie, maggie has a lot to answer for imo?
Not only the Nhs, but the railways, the water supply, the power
distribution, in fact all the essentialp services have over the years
been broken up and sold off to the highest bidder on the pretext of
higher efficiency.
So who do you blame now as these changes have taken place over
a number of years and pushed by a number of different governments!
But l think our goal now should be to take all essential services back
into public ownership when the contracts expire as private owners
have not proven to be either efficient or trustworthy imo??

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What Maggie did was impossible to reverse by successive governments. The problem is the structure of the shareholdings and the appointment of private providers whist maintaining too much of the legal structure of a free market. So instead of acting in the interest of the greater good they are playing to shareholder fickleness. They have joint ventures with various rules to try to stop this but it's clearly not working. EDF is mostly French govt owned and seems to be a good supplier. Perhaps we should be looking at how other countries structure the governance and finances that lead to success. Or a "John Lewis" type partnership model where we all own a stake instead of some faceless investment funds.

When you design the way such services are structured they should all link into other services and not be postcode lottery arrangements. We have a patchwork here and silo thinking. Too much regional power too, so empires build up. The alternative of too much central power also causes problems.

Given our recent experience they could simply bring the army in to sort it all out. They seem to understand how to organise things and sort out all the rubbish in between.

Get rid of all the good for nothing management consultants creaming off the system giving rubbish "solutions" that just create more work for them in future. Appoint army experts to redesign the way things are set up in a sensible and logical way.
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01-05-2020, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
What Maggie did was impossible to reverse by successive governments. The problem is the structure of the shareholdings and the appointment of private providers whist maintaining too much of the legal structure of a free market. So instead of acting in the interest of the greater good they are playing to shareholder fickleness. They have joint ventures with various rules to try to stop this but it's clearly not working. EDF is mostly French govt owned and seems to be a good supplier. Perhaps we should be looking at how other countries structure the governance and finances that lead to success. Or a "John Lewis" type partnership model where we all own a stake instead of some faceless investment funds.

When you design the way such services are structured they should all link into other services and not be postcode lottery arrangements. We have a patchwork here and silo thinking. Too much regional power too, so empires build up. The alternative of too much central power also causes problems.

Given our recent experience they could simply bring the army in to sort it all out. They seem to understand how to organise things and sort out all the rubbish in between.

Get rid of all the good for nothing management consultants creaming off the system giving rubbish "solutions" that just create more work for them in future. Appoint army experts to redesign the way things are set up in a sensible and logical way.
Once again we agree Annie, particularly where consultants and
advisers are concerned. And also heads of departments that only
have administrative skills and know nothing about the actual work
of their departments!!

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01-05-2020, 06:37 PM
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It would probably cost the government £3 million to hire a consultancy firm to decide if the government needs to carry on using consultants
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01-05-2020, 07:08 PM
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It would probably cost the government £3 million to hire a consultancy firm to decide if the government needs to carry on using consultants
Good point Dodge!

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01-05-2020, 09:46 PM
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It would probably cost the government £3 million to hire a consultancy firm to decide if the government needs to carry on using consultants
I wonder how many are in the mysterious Sage.
 
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