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10-11-2019, 05:25 PM
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It has ALWAYS been the case that simply walking away without a deal in the first instance is far better than shackling the country and the UK people to a bad deal with the EU.

It is ever more true today as the Tories attempt to once again regurgitate Teresa Mays's catastrophic deal and push it through albeit with a few amendments.

Boris's deal is in all real sense, May's Deal and would be catastrophic for the UK. To understand why that is, we need to hop over to the BrExit Party Website where everything is outlined. I will post the details below.

In the meantime it must be clearly understood that Boris is imho playing the electorate for fools and attempting to simply get a majority to push through "May's Deal". A deal that has been firmly rejected 3 times already in parliament.

It is NOT BrExit

It is BRINO

Therefore I am not personally fooled any longer by Boris's "pro LEave" rhetoric. He is not to be trusted imho.

Boris seemed Pro Leave until the moment he regurgitated May's awful deal that leaves us in a worse position than we are now.

I can not therefore vote Tory for to do so is actually a vote to
Remain.

In fact I would not be at all surprised if a number of Remainers also vote Tory in order to give them the majority to deliver the fudged BrExit or BRINO. BrExit in name only, leaving us totally shackled for years with no say or veto.

There is now only one party who seriously desire to deliver BrExit and deliver it properly and that is of course the BrExit Party.
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The BORIS DEAL And Why It Is Catastrophic And Not BrExit


You can read it all here:

https://www.thebrexitparty.org/read-this/#compare



Britain remains under EU rules but with no vote, no voice, no veto.

"During the Withdrawal Agreement’s extendable ‘transition period’ (which lasts until at least the end of 2020 and almost certainly years longer), we won’t withdraw from the EU at all but become non-voting members. We will still be trapped in the EU customs union and single market, subject to all existing EU laws and any punitive new ones they might pass (Articles 4.1, 4.2, 6, 41, 95.1, 127). And we’ll be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) (Arts 4.4, 4.5, 86, 87, 89, 95.3, 131, 158, 163). The difference is we won’t have any say (Arts 7.1, 34). "

Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for? "


EU judges can still override our laws.

"The ECJ – a foreign court – governs the Treaty and EU law takes precedence. Future British parliaments will be bound to obey ECJ rulings, and UK judges will be obliged to overturn laws passed by our Parliament if the ECJ says they don’t comply with the Treaty or the EU laws it enables (Articles 4.4, 4.5, 86, 87, 89, 95.3, 131, 158, 163). In some cases, the ECJ will rule for years even after the transition ends. "

Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?


We won’t control our fishing

"The dreadful Common Fisheries Policy continues in UK waters during the extendable transition period, but we will have no say in it (Article 130). That means huge foreign trawlers plundering our waters at the expense of our coastal communities. After the transition, the Political Declaration (PD) signs us up to sharing ‘access to water and quota shares’ (PD, paragraph 73) – which equals continued EU exploitation of UK fishing grounds. "

Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?


We still won’t be free to trade as we see fit.

"Boris boasts of leaving the EU customs union. Yet the Political Declaration states any future free trade agreement with the EU must ensure ‘a level playing field’ (PD, paragraph 17, 77) and ‘deep regulatory and customs cooperation’ (para 21). This means sticking to EU rules. It will be hard for the UK to reduce tariff barriers to cut the cost of living and make trade deals with other nations. The PD also requires we pursue ‘ambitious customs objectives that are in line with the Parties’ objectives and principles’ (para 22) – another restrictive EU customs union in all but name. "

Does that sound like the Brexit you voted for?
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10-11-2019, 05:26 PM
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Continued . . .

We won’t have control of our tax or state aid policies.

EU law applies to the UK during the transition period (WA, Article 127), and beyond that the Political Declaration obliges the UK to adopt EU rules on state aid rules and ‘relevant tax matters’ (PD, para 77). This all means we can’t change tax rates to be more competitive and can’t assist a strategic industry such as British Steel.



Britain can’t pursue an independent foreign policy

The Treaty restricts UK sovereignty by preventing us taking ‘any action likely to conflict with or impede’ EU foreign policy (Article 129.6) – despite having no say in policy making. The UK will be signed up to all EU treaties, including new ones, throughout the transition period, and must ‘refrain… from any action… which is likely to be prejudicial’ to EU interests within international organisations such as the United Nations Security Council and the WTO (Art 129 points 1 and 3).



Britain can’t pursue an independent defence policy.

The Political Declaration commits us to security integration through the European Defence Agency and the European Defence Fund (PD, paragraph 102(c)). We will fund the EU’s military plans during the transition period at least, and British troops in EU battlegroups will be under foreign command (WA Articles 128.2, 129.7, 156, 157).



The United Kingdom will be divided.

The Treaty creates a de facto customs and regulatory border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Britain. Goods moving between NI and Britain will be checked. Citizens living in NI would effectively be staying in the EU, without any say in their laws, for at least four years after the transition and quite possibly forever. In other words, the UK gives up part of its sovereign territory —for what? (“Backstop” Protocol Articles 5 and 6.2).



We pay the EU billions and get nothing in return

The Treaty commits us to pay a sum to be decided by the EU (WA, Part Five). The £39bn payment demanded is likely to be just the start, with billions more to follow.



And we’ll be trapped by the Political Declaration

The problems won’t end with the transition period. Article 184 of the Withdrawal Agreement requires us to use ‘best endeavours, in good faith’ to negotiate a future deal in line with the PD. Any breach of this duty will see the EU haul Britain before an arbitration panel – half EU appointees, half pro-EU judges from the UK. And the panel must defer to the European court on anything concerning EU Law. If they rule that a UK law goes against the Political Declaration, UK courts will have to overturn that law (WA, Articles 170-175). The Political Declaration is a trap from which there is no plausible escape.



Boris's Deal is really just the catastrophically bad "May Deal" regurgitated for the FOURTH time now but with a couple of tweaks.
Parliment has rejected May's deal 3 times but now the establishment hope to dupe the masses into giving Boris a majority
so they can finally get it pushed through and at that point BrExit is finished.
You can bet that many Remainers will be voting for Boris because of that !!!!

Boris's deal is NOT BREXIT in any sense

It is BRINO. A total betrayal of the referendum result.

No Brexiteer should be fooled by this nonsense.

The BrExit Party is the only party with a desire to get us out of the EU.
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10-11-2019, 05:38 PM
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IMO Brexit is catastrophic.
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10-11-2019, 05:40 PM
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We are Donald ducked .
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10-11-2019, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Muddy ->
We are Donald ducked .
Looks like it - makes me wonder how this all happened.
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10-11-2019, 06:08 PM
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Fact Nigel Farage knows more about EU than the last 4 Prime Ministers. He has been right too often.


https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/0...-is-an-empire/

‘The EU is an empire’
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10-11-2019, 06:21 PM
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South Yorkshire has never comprised of Tory constituencies so that just leaves the Brexit Party. When I voted to leave the EU I didn't vote for any deal and assumed we would be doing a deal once out....
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10-11-2019, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
South Yorkshire has never comprised of Tory constituencies so that just leaves the Brexit Party. When I voted to leave the EU I didn't vote for any deal and assumed we would be doing a deal once out....
Ditto.
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10-11-2019, 10:35 PM
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Ditto.
If you assume something, and vote on an assumption, this is what you get.
 
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