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28-11-2018, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
They should looked for a better motivation. UK is not in schengen. If my neighbour travels to london from calais, he has to show his EU pasport three times. Once to french customs, twice to british. Persons trying to illegally enter the UK are easily stopped.
Perhaps some of your politicians were lying or talking in ignorance (seems to happen to politicians).
All of them lie to us, Solasch.
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28-11-2018, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
What is the point of a tv debate if voters are not having a say?
The point is media propaganda and social conditioning.

Both Corbyn and May will do the bidding of the EU, that is the state of UK politics.

Clearly a genuine debate would go nowhere because Corbyn is staunchly against the EU in reality but won't put that image out on such a media circus because he needs to try and dupe hapless Remainers that he might like to stay in the EU and have a second referendum in order to then get the votes in an election (there is no depths to which this duplicitous con merchant will go to get votes !)

What the TV debate would do, and the reason for having it, is to give BOTH May and Corbyn lots of oppotunity to say "No Deal" will be really bad and to keep reinforcing that mantra. Social conditioning.
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28-11-2018, 07:38 PM
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Ive worked in the NHS since the seventies. Right now there is a big shortage of Nursing and care staff throughout the whole of the UK. The last report I heard suggests that applications from overseas nurses has fallen by 80% since Brexit.

Heres the thing, apparently a lot of the leave vote was cast by the over fifties. If it takes maybe ten years for Brexit to kick in properly, then many of the over fifties leave vote will be in care. Could someone please tell me who will look after them ?


Personally Im open about Brexit, not sure if its a good or bad thing, but this is something that really puzzles me.
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28-11-2018, 07:46 PM
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Ive worked in the NHS since the seventies. Right now there is a big shortage of Nursing and care staff throughout the whole of the UK. The last report I heard suggests that applications from overseas nurses has fallen by 80% since Brexit.

Heres the thing, apparently a lot of the leave vote was cast by the over fifties. If it takes maybe ten years for Brexit to kick in properly, then many of the over fifties leave vote will be in care. Could someone please tell me who will look after them ?


Personally Im open about Brexit, not sure if its a good or bad thing, but this is something that really puzzles me.
Start learning russian and/or chinese, asap.
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28-11-2018, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Well, read for yourself:

Public and private sector organisations in the UK receive funding from the EU through various channels – the UK received a total of €6.3 billion (about £5.5 billion) in 2017. The majority of EU funding is administered in partnership with national and regional authorities in Member States, though a share of it is directly administered by the European Commission.
The two most significant funding channels for the UK are the European Structural and Investment (ESI) funds*and the European Agricultural Guarantee Fund. For the current funding period (2014-20), the UK has been allocated €17.2 billion and €22.5 billion through these funds respectively.
The European Agricultural Guarantee Fund (EAGF) is the primary financial mechanism used for the implementation of the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). The EAGF consists of direct payments to farmers to stabilise their revenues and market measures to tackle specific market situations, and the UK has been allocated €22.5 billion for the period 2014-20.
Organisations in the UK can also apply directly to the European Commission for funding from various other streams, often on a competitive basis following calls for applications. The UK is one of the leading Member States in securing funding for research and innovation and various other projects, with around 14% of funds allocated from the Horizon 2020 programme going to the UK, and British universities are in the top four higher education recipients to date. The typical aggregate value of direct funding is around £1-1.5 billion per year.
EU funding us ? or giving us back a proportion of what they take from us and telling us where we can spend it ?
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28-11-2018, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
EU funding us ? or giving us back a proportion of what they take from us and telling us where we can spend it ?
Do you honestly believe that the government will duplicate all the payments Solasch referred to. Cuckoo cuckoo
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28-11-2018, 08:52 PM
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Do you honestly believe that the government will duplicate all the payments Solasch referred to. Cuckoo cuckoo
Hopefully not I'm hoping we can look at what we spend more carefully.
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28-11-2018, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
Is that all you are worried about Tessa? Business, trade and money, is that all the country is worth to you....A spreadsheet? do you not consider your country it's people it's customs and it's history. We have accepted the twenty pieces of silver from the EU and sold out Britain.....Was a time when most of the stuff in the world was stamped with "Made in Britain" and proud we were too...
You just answered that yourself, we no longer have the manufacturing we once had, we didn't stand up for ourselves, we didn't stop firms moving overseas to make bigger profits.
My kids and grandkids can't make a living out of quaint customs and traditions, it's just not possible.
If that company I mentioned wanted to survive, they'd have to find a way of making parts themselves, new machines, premises etc. They wouldn't be able to afford it.
None of this and more even occured to anyone before the vote.
It was done too quickly with no idea about anything.
Like I said, tell your MPs if you're not satisfied with the way things are going, they live in a bubble, they think what they're doing is fine unless someone tells them otherwise.
May will just plough on with her deal unless someone has the guts to stop her.
Who can do that? You, who voted out and you who voted for her party.
It's no good waiting until the next election, it will be too late.

You won the vote, if you believe in Brexit, fight for it, we remainers will go along with it, we don't want a bad deal either.
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28-11-2018, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
Hopefully not I'm hoping we can look at what we spend more carefully.
Oh yeh, and pigs can fly.
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28-11-2018, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
Quite right Julie. What on earth is the point of having a debate between two remainers! One, who obviously thinks she is going to have all the answers as she is the one who has been negotiating, and the other who flip flops his belief in Brexit to suit his agenda.

A REAL debate would be between Theresa May and a Brexiteer such as Boris, JRM, Duncan-Smith or joy of joys if it did happen, Nigel - or any of those outspoken Brexit supporting politicians who want what we and the country that voted to leave wanted, the Brexit we thought we were being delivered.

Sheer waste of time. It will just end up as a convenient EU Party Political Broadcast with lots of "in the best interests of the country" thrown in for good measure.

Nigel WHO! it would be good television for a non-entity to be in on the debate.
 
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