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16-11-2019, 03:19 PM
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France and Germany are prosperous, thanks to the EU.

How about Greece, Spain and Italy?
Noble of the british pensioners to go live in spain italy greece and not in those prosperous countries.
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16-11-2019, 03:32 PM
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Not sure about Greece but Spain and Italy were doing ok before the euro. Particularly considering Spain's recent past. The EU has also done far more for Ireland than we ever did. The euro was a mistake but the economic unity and political stability of the EU has stopped rival countries going to war with each other having regularly been in conflict previously. The requirements of democracy and prosperity are key factors.

In the meantime the world has changed. But there was never a time when more global cooperation was needed than now. Events will supersede the current political mess. We are on the brink of great change. But its not the sort if change you envisage.
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France and Germany are prosperous, thanks to the EU.
Hardly !


Germany is now in recession and France is extremely worried about how that impacts them as they do 3 times more trade with Germany than us. In fact France is more worried about the German collapsing economy than it is about BrExit.

Google it.
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16-11-2019, 03:41 PM
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France Germany Britain have all been prosperous for decades. Germany would have been stronger were it not for reunification. But there will be a world recession in the next few years. EU or not.
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16-11-2019, 03:44 PM
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We are on the brink of great change. But its not the sort if change you envisage.

Ah the great masonic agenda

I wonder who sits at the top of that food chain when this "great change" materialises ?!


And of course there's the mass culling of the population to come though of course it will be made to look "natural", a bug, virus, disease . . .

And increased assimilation of the Middle East with Europe to fully create the desired "Eurasia".

and so on and so forth
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I can't see the lifestyle we have enjoyed for the last 70 years lasting. What we recognise as prosperity will go with it. Countries will have to cooperate but i think another world war is likely. Hopefully that won't happen in our lifetime but it's inevitable eventually. Sweeping changes are easier to implement after great devastation so it would not surprise me if it were contrived for that purpose.
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16-11-2019, 04:32 PM
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I can't see the lifestyle we have enjoyed for the last 70 years lasting. What we recognise as prosperity will go with it. Countries will have to cooperate but i think another world war is likely. Hopefully that won't happen in our lifetime but it's inevitable eventually. Sweeping changes are easier to implement after great devastation so it would not surprise me if it were contrived for that purpose.
Nothing will ever change because the nature of "man" never changes.

Those naively sworn to the masonic fraternity thinking their one world government agenda is the utopia that will bring peace are deluded.

Most don't even know the truth of the people at the top of their own pyramid structure.

When the time comes those in power like everyone else will be corrupted and corrupted absolutely. In place of peace there will exist a devastating regime, a dictatorship, ruthlessly dealing with dissenters, maintaining its wealth and power at all costs no matter how many innocents are killed to achieve it. It is the nature of man.

The only way to keep humans in check is to keep them accountable to other humans. i.e. within a democratic system that gives all humans a voice and a choice.

Despots and dictators ALWAYS seek to remove that democratic process because it stands in the way of their dictatorial agendas.

Is this not the exact thing we are seeing?

We are in the EU because democracy has been ignored.

We are in the EU through illegal means not through a democratically chosen decision.

We are being refused Exit from the EU by the same dictators

We have been signed up to illegal treaties which mandate that Westminster will effectively be abolished and that we may not oppose the EU. i.e. Removal of the democratic process

The EU itself is run by a group of dictators who will not expose themselves to the rigors of being elected. Again, the removal of democracy.

Throughout history we see the same patterns repeated.

Despots destroy their enemy, which is democracy and in it's stead rule by oppression, coercion, fear, intimidation and in more modern times by taking control of countries' financial systems and judiciaries.

Nothing will change. It is the nature of man.

It is a repeating cycle that sees tyrants rise for a while and then get put down only to then ultimately see another tyrant arise and again be put down.
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16-11-2019, 04:41 PM
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Re: 11th November

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France and Germany are prosperous, thanks to the EU.

How about Greece, Spain and Italy?
Am l right in inferring you believe France& Germany benefitted
from eu membership because they were founder members and
designed the organisation for that purpose JBR??
Regards Donkeyman!
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16-11-2019, 04:54 PM
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Hardly !


Germany is now in recession and France is extremely worried about how that impacts them as they do 3 times more trade with Germany than us. In fact France is more worried about the German collapsing economy than it is about BrExit.

Google it.
Yes I agree. Recent news, of course.
Good news for us, though!
But we must get out before the EU goes tits up and takes us with it.
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16-11-2019, 05:12 PM
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Am l right in inferring you believe France& Germany benefitted
from eu membership because they were founder members and
designed the organisation for that purpose JBR??
Yes, but no, but yes, but no, but...YES... in part.

No, it's more to do with the rules and regulations the EU seems to put in place, which seem to benefit France and Germany more than anyone else.

One example is that of the financial benefits the French farmers enjoy.
 
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