07-09-2018, 01:22 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by Realist
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I had far far less knowledge as most did before the advent of the internet.What I knew I knew from books. For example books that explain every herb and spice and what their medicinal uses are and how to use them.
Books that explain how civil disasters unfold, the typical phases seen each time, how to cope and manage, where to go, what to take, how to create potable water when the water supply is shut off and so on.
Now that we have the internet there is really no excuse for anyone to stay ignorant and uniformed on any given issue. Yet many do remain ignorant. They are locked in their insular world, often afraid to let down the barriers, unwilling to concede they are uniformed, unable to be objective, clinging to old, often childhood traits and habits.
The internet is a remarkable and evolutionary entity.
07-09-2018, 01:43 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by ruthio
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Did you read the post?It was extremely interesting.
I'm not a bit bothered whether he typed it all himself (it would take me all day!) or copied and pasted it from Some Place, or nicked it from A.N.Other forum (I did that with the scallops, sometimes you need to do that to get a decent perspective!)...it was well presented and interesting, and spot on
a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward and which usually ends with a vote.
It is about who puts over the best argument, and you have to have some emotion to be able to do that.
You were only allowed to use proven facts, that somebody else had written, as you would have been removed from the debate if you were reading what somebody else told you to say.
A large amount of things, that are on the internet, are not proven facts, that is why you can always find another item on the same topic which says something completely different.
If he has an argument to offer, why not put it in his own words and make it a proper debate?
07-09-2018, 01:44 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by longdogs
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the internet certainly helps but just because it is out there doesn't make it true. Look up any subject and there are countless different views on the subject which means we just have to choose the version that suits our argument.
07-09-2018, 01:46 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by Morticia
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Toadie 
If anything all I've discovered arguing achieves is a thicker skin not a more versatile outlook or mind.
How's ya skin Gummy? Do you exfoliate regularly?
07-09-2018, 01:59 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by Longdogs
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The internet certainly helps but just because it is out there doesn't make it true. Look up any subject and there are countless different views on the subject which means we just have to choose the version that suits our argument.
Research is hard. It takes effort. It takes understanding. You not only have to read the content but also assess the motives of the people who have posted it.
Over time you build up a picture of the truth and get to know and understand how the disinformation merchants are operating. That makes research quicker in the future.
07-09-2018, 02:01 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by Twink55
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I learned how to debate at a school debating society, before the internet existed, and it was always an exchange of views based on facts and your own opinions. . . . . You were only allowed to use proven facts, that somebody else had written
Do you perceive that the forum isn't a debating area then?
07-09-2018, 02:21 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by Realist
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Interesting to hear you say this because in all the topics relating to health, flu vaccine, Shingles vaccine etc, all you appear to do is argue emotionally and anecdotally. You don't provide any facts or source references to support your views.Do you perceive that the forum isn't a debating area then?
You have mentioned yourself that a lot of things on the internet can be disputed & that is why they would be rejected by a good debating society.
I don't have the desire or the inclination to spend time researching the internet, for somebody who agrees with me, to prove me right. I base my opinions on well known facts & common sense, in the hope that people will agree.
The difference between you and I is that I let people make their own choices, but you just can't let it drop when people oppose your opinions!
07-09-2018, 03:02 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by Twink55
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No you misunderstood my post, proven facts cannot be disputed by anybody! and that is why they are allowed in debate.
Originally Posted by Twink55
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I don't have the desire or the inclination to spend time researching the internet
Originally Posted by Twink55
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I base my opinions on well known facts & common sense, in the hope that people will agree.
Originally Posted by Twink55
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The difference between you and I is that I let people make their own choices, but you just can't let it drop when people oppose your opinions!
Why then should I "let it drop" if someone opposes my opinions which in truth are not my opinions at all but rather the "proven facts" and data that you referred to earlier. If people are refuting such facts isn't it right that I or anyone else stands up for them? Shouldn't we be supporting proven facts rather than anecdotal nonsense?
07-09-2018, 03:21 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by Twink55
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No you misunderstood my post, proven facts cannot be disputed by anybody! and that is why they are allowed in debate. You have mentioned yourself that a lot of things on the internet can be disputed & that is why they would be rejected by a good debating society.
I don't have the desire or the inclination to spend time researching the internet, for somebody who agrees with me, to prove me right. I base my opinions on well known facts & common sense, in the hope that people will agree.
The difference between you and I is that I let people make their own choices, but you just can't let it drop when people oppose your opinions!
07-09-2018, 03:25 PM
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Re: how arguing more will make you smarter
Originally Posted by Realist
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Interesting to hear you say this because in all the topics relating to health, flu vaccine, Shingles vaccine etc, all you appear to do is argue emotionally and anecdotally. You don't provide any facts or source references to support your views.Do you perceive that the forum isn't a debating area then?
Many of the General Health threads are from members who are unfortunately suffering from an illness or complaint and are there looking for encouragement and support from our good members. They do not need a lot of negativity 'thrown' at them ..... that can be discussed in the sections provided.
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