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Re: EU ratification !

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Why do you persist in writing swathes of useless information that any competent and interested reader can already freely access?

You're not giving us anything new.
You're just wasting space.
Which pretty much sums up the entire EU, by happy coincidence.
A little gem from your link, you haven't read this far down, but it is relevant.

There is, however, a link between the dispute settlement mechanisms of the two agreements.

The WA provides for the suspension of part of any other UK-EU agreement if a party persistently doesn’t comply with arbitration panel rulings. This would be under the conditions set out in the other agreement.

The TCA provides that some of its provisions can be suspended because of non-compliance with an arbitration ruling under “an earlier agreement” between the UK and EU.
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28-04-2021, 03:54 PM
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A little gem from your link, you haven't read this far down, but it is relevant.

There is, however, a link between the dispute settlement mechanisms of the two agreements.

The WA provides for the suspension of part of any other UK-EU agreement if a party persistently doesn’t comply with arbitration panel rulings. This would be under the conditions set out in the other agreement.

The TCA provides that some of its provisions can be suspended because of non-compliance with an arbitration ruling under “an earlier agreement” between the UK and EU.
It's very good of you to imagine from such a distance what I have or have not read, but as is the usual for you it is again a completely wrong assumption.



FYI that dispute mechanism too works both ways.
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https://www.trowers.com/insights/202...and-complaints

The EU Commission, as arbiter of State aid rules in the EU had generally interpreted this quite broadly, so it will be interesting to see if the UK implementation takes a narrower approach which may limit who can complain/challenge a subsidy.

Catch-22.

Wish I had your optimism Zaphod, hey-ho.
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28-04-2021, 04:07 PM
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Re: EU ratification !

Originally Posted by Cinderella ->
https://www.trowers.com/insights/202...and-complaints

The EU Commission, as arbiter of State aid rules in the EU had generally interpreted this quite broadly, so it will be interesting to see if the UK implementation takes a narrower approach which may limit who can complain/challenge a subsidy.

Catch-22.

Wish I had your optimism Zaphod, hey-ho.
Well if the writing of such things leaves such a range of interpretations possible there's every reason for optimism, because it means that the legal tying-down of definitions won't be easy if you use the recourse of dispute resolution.
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Re: EU ratification !

Originally Posted by Cinderella ->
https://www.trowers.com/insights/202...and-complaints

The EU Commission, as arbiter of State aid rules in the EU had generally interpreted this quite broadly, so it will be interesting to see if the UK implementation takes a narrower approach which may limit who can complain/challenge a subsidy.

Catch-22.

Wish I had your optimism Zaphod, hey-ho.
From that link you gave:

Following the conclusion of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) and the passing of the European Union (Future Relationship) Act 2020 (EUFRA), from 1 January Great Britain said goodbye to the concept of "State aid" (for new public sector support) and hello to the new concept of "Subsidy Control".*
The TCA requires both the EU and UK to each have in place an "effective system of subsidy control" in compliance with the principles set out in the TCA. It is implied that the EU's current state aid framework satisfies this obligation. The UK has not had time to set out the details of its own approach; instead the EUFRA effectively incorporates the TCA's subsidy control provisions .

Not had time? Ever since 2017 you could have known this! It seems nobody did truly believe the UK would leave, and so didn't prepare.
Or is this the speed of british civil service? That would also explain why french fishers are still waiting. Alas, now british fish are also waiting. On the quays.....
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Re: EU ratification !

Originally Posted by Zaphod ->
It's very good of you to imagine from such a distance what I have or have not read, but as is the usual for you it is again a completely wrong assumption.



FYI that dispute mechanism too works both ways.
I don't remember the EU telling they would break a treaty in a limited and specific way. The UK however....had the blatant
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Well if the writing of such things leaves such a range of interpretations possible there's every reason for optimism, because it means that the legal tying-down of definitions won't be easy if you use the recourse of dispute resolution.
That is so Zaphod, BUT, it just wastes so much time and costs a
fortune !!
With no deal we would be truly free !!

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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
That is so Zaphod, BUT, it just wastes so much time and costs a
fortune !!
With no deal we would be truly free !!

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Of course! But boris came begging for a deal. Why shouldn't the EU grant him one? Especially when he signed in favor of the EU? Now you are tied (still or again) to the EU.
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28-04-2021, 06:10 PM
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Re: EU ratification !

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I don't remember the EU telling they would break a treaty in a limited and specific way. The UK however....had the blatant
Your memory really is becoming very iffy then Solly in your dotage, because we've discussed how the EU under Von der Leyen did just that.

And what was your reply?
In case you do not remember that either, basically it ammounted to "but we only said we were going to. We didn't do it.".
What's good for the goose & all that.



It didn't stop the EU ratifying the deal either.
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28-04-2021, 06:51 PM
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Re: EU ratification !

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
That is so Zaphod, BUT, it just wastes so much time and costs a
fortune !!
With no deal we would be truly free !!

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If you seriously think that disputes don't happen between countries that do not have trade deals you're very sadly mistaken.
They are often far more expensive and sometimes even more than a little bit bloodier than the "maybe" you're supposedly concerned about too.
 
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