05-12-2018, 01:05 PM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by Realist
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That's just products Swim is it not?You have for months highlighted that the UK is mainly a service provider.
Nope, leaving the Single Market means are service exports are affected as well.
WTO Rules do not cover services, so we lose access to the EU.
That is why the Banks, Insurers, Exchange Dealers etc have been setting up offices in the EU.
There will not be big job losses because of this, but since the transactions will actually take place in the EU, not the UK, we lose £Billions in tax which the EU Countries gain.
The EU are not idiots, they are losing money as we will no longer be contributing.
They are looking after themselves by taking Tax from us.
05-12-2018, 05:06 PM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiNope, leaving the Single Market means are service exports are affected as well.
WTO Rules do not cover services, so we lose access to the EU.
That is why the Banks, Insurers, Exchange Dealers etc have been setting up offices in the EU.
There will not be big job losses because of this, but since the transactions will actually take place in the EU, not the UK, we lose £Billions in tax which the EU Countries gain.
The EU are not idiots, they are losing money as we will no longer be contributing.
They are looking after themselves by taking Tax from us.
During the transition period the EU will be having their elections. People that have been negotiating over there may well no longer be in office after the elections. TBH, I believe we will be wasting the first year of the transition because Brexit will not be as important as the European elections.
No wonder they want it all dusted and polished to suit their own agenda.
05-12-2018, 06:32 PM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI don't know anyone, apart from you, who voted Brexit to deliberately make life worse.
If this is the Brexit the Remainers have negotiated then a no deal would be better and if the GDP suffers so be it.
There's no law that says we can't cope with a few years of contraction if need be...but no, I didn't vote to make llife worse I was fool enough to think our political class would put the nation first and their political tribalism second but they couldnt do that could they , so be it........I'll be alright!
05-12-2018, 06:33 PM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiNope, leaving the Single Market means are service exports are affected as well.
WTO Rules do not cover services, so we lose access to the EU.
That is why the Banks, Insurers, Exchange Dealers etc have been setting up offices in the EU.
There will not be big job losses because of this, but since the transactions will actually take place in the EU, not the UK, we lose £Billions in tax which the EU Countries gain.
The EU are not idiots, they are losing money as we will no longer be contributing.
They are looking after themselves by taking Tax from us.
05-12-2018, 08:16 PM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by papr1902
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nice to see Hilary Benn proposing an amendment that would mean we cannot leave the EU with no deal and that it is gathering support. Surely this will leave us in a position where Parliament won't agree the deal on offer and we can't leave with No Deal, so we will be stuck in the EU with all the things people wanted to get rid of !isn't it time our elected officials stopped acting like school children and opposing things because the other side proposed them rather than thinking what is best for the country.
05-12-2018, 08:21 PM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by Solasch
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I am starting to wonder why those simple people in the house of commons do not bow for the superior knowledge you display on this forum. Your opinion should bring you fame everlasting, instead of all the critic on this forum. You seem to suffer from a common problem:That you have an opinion is a fact, but that doesn't make a fact of your opinion.
You seem to want to reduce people to economic units when that isn't the driving force of humanity.
05-12-2018, 11:36 PM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by Moscow
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Opinions form policy .You seem to want to reduce people to economic units when that isn't the driving force of humanity.
06-12-2018, 06:41 AM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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They certainly are. What bugs me is how the EU has dictated the timeframes for these negotiations from the start. During the transition period the EU will be having their elections. People that have been negotiating over there may well no longer be in office after the elections. TBH, I believe we will be wasting the first year of the transition because Brexit will not be as important as the European elections.
No wonder they want it all dusted and polished to suit their own agenda.
We have not done very well have we?
Triggered Article 50 with no prior negotiations about procedures or timescales and with no plan in place.
We had the battle cry, No Deal is better than a bad deal and then proceeded to do nothing about preparing for leaving.
The EU could not believe their luck.
We have been completely run over by them.
We are fed by our own media and blame the EU for everything.
The media in other parts of the World have a very different take.
They cannot believe our stupidity in the way we have handled it.
The EU are not particularly hard nosed negotiators, just wait until we try to get good deals with the rest of the world.
The USA and Japan are much more determined negotiators, India have said naff off unless they get more Immigration.
The World knows we are desperate for Trade Deals, we will be treated as such.
The question is who have we got that will get us out of this?
It is difficult to imagine who could do a worse job than the present Government, but Corbyn and Abbott could just about manage it.
You are quite correct, the EU have moved on, accepted that we are leaving and Brexit is not a big issue for them now, they can just sit back and wait.
They spent less than 40 minutes on it at their last Summit, it is their new elections and what happens after Brexit which is of more importance to them.
The Transition Period we need to do things we should have been doing 2 years ago.
06-12-2018, 08:18 AM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by JBR
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While they're at it, they could remove our voting rights too. That would make life so much more easy for our rulers.
They'll be wanting to buy and sell us next.........
06-12-2018, 11:37 AM
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Re: Hilary Benn amendment not to allow No Deal
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWe have not done very well have we?
Triggered Article 50 with no prior negotiations about procedures or timescales and with no plan in place.
We had the battle cry, No Deal is better than a bad deal and then proceeded to do nothing about preparing for leaving.
The EU could not believe their luck.
We have been completely run over by them.
We are fed by our own media and blame the EU for everything.
The media in other parts of the World have a very different take.
They cannot believe our stupidity in the way we have handled it.
The EU are not particularly hard nosed negotiators, just wait until we try to get good deals with the rest of the world.
The USA and Japan are much more determined negotiators, India have said naff off unless they get more Immigration.
The World knows we are desperate for Trade Deals, we will be treated as such.
The question is who have we got that will get us out of this?
It is difficult to imagine who could do a worse job than the present Government, but Corbyn and Abbott could just about manage it.
You are quite correct, the EU have moved on, accepted that we are leaving and Brexit is not a big issue for them now, they can just sit back and wait.
They spent less than 40 minutes on it at their last Summit, it is their new elections and what happens after Brexit which is of more importance to them.
The Transition Period we need to do things we should have been doing 2 years ago.
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