25-01-2019, 08:44 AM
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Re: Dysfunctional Parliament
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Are you saying that the result of an advisory referendum should Do away with Parliamentary democracy when the referendum bill specifically did not cede sovereignty to the people.Yes the result of the referendum should be considered but to act on it whatever the cost or consequences would be a dereliction of responsibility
Both Labour and Conservative said they would accept the result.
Parliament then voted to enshrine this in law and with a set date for leaving, on March 29th this year.
It would be a dereliction of duty to overturn this.
25-01-2019, 10:29 AM
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Re: Dysfunctional Parliament
DOMINIC SANDBROOK: MPs are plotting to derail Brexit, and risk anarchyhttps://mol.im/a/6630467
Exactly 30 years ago, the world was on the brink of a great democratic revolution. With thousands pouring onto the streets in protest, the ageing, autocratic Communists who had run Eastern Europe into the ground were at last losing their grip.
In the space of a few months in 1989, the Iron Curtain, the Berlin Wall and Communism itself were swept away.
For the people of Venezuela, who for 20 years have endured their own Marxist nightmare, a similar moment of liberation may finally be at hand.
Two weeks ago, the incumbent far-Left president, Nicolas Maduro, was sworn in for a second term as president, following an election that was widely regarded as grossly fraudulent.
Ever since, enormous crowds have brought the capital, Caracas, to a halt. And now, amid escalating street confrontations, Venezuela’s National Assembly has stripped Mr Maduro of the presidency and awarded it to his moderate rival, Juan Guaido
Already the U.S., Canada and almost all Venezuela’s South American neighbours recognise Mr Guaido’s legitimacy. So, commendably, does Britain.
For the people of Venezuela, change cannot come soon enough. After hard-Left rule, initially under demagogue Hugo Chavez, and now under the corrupt Mr Maduro, their oil-rich country is in a terrible condition.
Quite apart from terrifying crime levels, endemic poverty and crippling shortages of food and medicine, Venezuela also suffers from inflation at a scarcely credible 1 million per cent (and no, that is not a misprint.)
As it happens, Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, our very own Marx Brothers, spent years hailing Chavez and Maduro as their ideological heroes. Indeed, that intellectual titan of our age, Diane Abbott, even claimed that the Venezuelan model showed ‘another way is possible’. That was certainly one way of putting it.
Corbyn himself made an appearance on a phone-in on Maduro’s state-run TV station. He recalled Chavez visiting London. Corbyn said that ‘on the Left of British politics, there was a great deal of warmth and affection towards Chavez’ and that ‘history would be very kind’ to him.
For the rest of us, the South American republic’s fate is a salutary reminder of the inevitable result when a tiny, unrepresentative ruling elite, utterly indifferent to the principles of democracy, casts itself as an ideological vanguard, dragging the masses along whether they like it or not.
And that naturally brings me to Yvette Cooper. Ms Cooper has, in fairness, never been one of the Labour Party’s Chavez-fancying fellow travellers. The Pontefract MP’s natural habitat is the somnolent Commons committee room, not the smouldering Caracas barricade.
25-01-2019, 11:09 AM
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Re: Dysfunctional Parliament
Originally Posted by marmaduke
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DOMINIC SANDBROOK: MPs are plotting to derail Brexit, and risk anarchyhttps://mol.im/a/6630467
Exactly 30 years ago, the world was on the brink of a great democratic revolution. With thousands pouring onto the streets in protest, the ageing, autocratic Communists who had run Eastern Europe into the ground were at last losing their grip.
In the space of a few months in 1989, the Iron Curtain, the Berlin Wall and Communism itself were swept away.
For the people of Venezuela, who for 20 years have endured their own Marxist nightmare, a similar moment of liberation may finally be at hand.
Two weeks ago, the incumbent far-Left president, Nicolas Maduro, was sworn in for a second term as president, following an election that was widely regarded as grossly fraudulent.
Ever since, enormous crowds have brought the capital, Caracas, to a halt. And now, amid escalating street confrontations, Venezuela’s National Assembly has stripped Mr Maduro of the presidency and awarded it to his moderate rival, Juan Guaido
Already the U.S., Canada and almost all Venezuela’s South American neighbours recognise Mr Guaido’s legitimacy. So, commendably, does Britain.
For the people of Venezuela, change cannot come soon enough. After hard-Left rule, initially under demagogue Hugo Chavez, and now under the corrupt Mr Maduro, their oil-rich country is in a terrible condition.
Quite apart from terrifying crime levels, endemic poverty and crippling shortages of food and medicine, Venezuela also suffers from inflation at a scarcely credible 1 million per cent (and no, that is not a misprint.)
As it happens, Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, our very own Marx Brothers, spent years hailing Chavez and Maduro as their ideological heroes. Indeed, that intellectual titan of our age, Diane Abbott, even claimed that the Venezuelan model showed ‘another way is possible’. That was certainly one way of putting it.
Corbyn himself made an appearance on a phone-in on Maduro’s state-run TV station. He recalled Chavez visiting London. Corbyn said that ‘on the Left of British politics, there was a great deal of warmth and affection towards Chavez’ and that ‘history would be very kind’ to him.
For the rest of us, the South American republic’s fate is a salutary reminder of the inevitable result when a tiny, unrepresentative ruling elite, utterly indifferent to the principles of democracy, casts itself as an ideological vanguard, dragging the masses along whether they like it or not.
And that naturally brings me to Yvette Cooper. Ms Cooper has, in fairness, never been one of the Labour Party’s Chavez-fancying fellow travellers. The Pontefract MP’s natural habitat is the somnolent Commons committee room, not the smouldering Caracas barricade.
And the little idiot Owen Jones says Venezuela is failing because it is not socialist enough.
25-01-2019, 12:21 PM
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Re: Dysfunctional Parliament
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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In view of the current chaos in parliament which seems to be designed to overturn the ref result by any or all means , which is supported by state institutions and much of the media.one of the tools they use is to instill fear and confusion into the populace,both leave and remain. it seems that this strategy has worked in the case of the remainder who manifest signs of hysteria in any discussions.however, l detect a feeling of unity and exasperated steadiness of purpose amongst the leavers.So l believe that it is time, in veiw of the measures being initiated right now in parliament to delay stop or dilute Brexit, for all leavers to unite in some form or other to demonstrate to parliament that we have not changed our minds after more than two years of fearmongering and denigration on their part. Now we have a problem doing this because there is nobody currently representing us, so how do we get organised?
Might l suggest Nigel Farage gets involved in veiw of his knowhow etc.ideas please? Donkeyman
25-01-2019, 12:38 PM
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Re: Dysfunctional Parliament
[QUOTE=AnnieS;1624689]He's not my hero.[/QUOTEAs a Remainer that's obvious AnnieS.
Perhaps I should have dowloaded a video of Tony Blair going round to each of the European Leaders encouraging them to stand firm against Britain, would you have then given it a thumbs up smiley?
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