25-01-2019, 05:55 PM
11
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Bread
->
I said we can novate agreements with 3rd party countries I did not say it was the norm.It was you who said we don't have enough trade negotiatiors so we would have no trade deals, I simply made the case for using novation to get around this in the short term. It's perfectly OK to do as we have seen in the example I posted regarding the insurance agreement with Switzerland.
You will also find that we have novated agreements with other countries such as Japan and Singapore (plus Canada, Australia which are ongoing). The problem you have is that your getting worried things wont be as bad as you think they will be (or hope they will be ?)
At the end of the day the WTO is there for a reason, and it works very well. 98% of countries use it to trade between each other. The EU, as we are finding out is moving its 27 member states to a no deal Brexit because its simply useless at negotiating anything.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...customs-union/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...mmittee-report
25-01-2019, 06:30 PM
12
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Solasch
->
You needn't worry. As long as you stay in the customs union you don't need UK negotiators. Those from the EU will do the work for you.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...customs-union/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...mmittee-report
25-01-2019, 06:34 PM
13
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Bread
->
The last thing we need is EU negotiators. So far they have only managed about 5 in 40 years
25-01-2019, 06:49 PM
14
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Bread
->
I said we can novate agreements with 3rd party countries I did not say it was the norm.It was you who said we don't have enough trade negotiatiors so we would have no trade deals, I simply made the case for using novation to get around this in the short term. It's perfectly OK to do as we have seen in the example I posted regarding the insurance agreement with Switzerland.
You will also find that we have novated agreements with other countries such as Japan and Singapore (plus Canada, Australia which are ongoing). The problem you have is that your getting worried things wont be as bad as you think they will be (or hope they will be ?)
At the end of the day the WTO is there for a reason, and it works very well. 98% of countries use it to trade between each other. The EU, as we are finding out is moving its 27 member states to a no deal Brexit because its simply useless at negotiating anything.
“Looks like novation agreements between the UK and other 3rd countries are becoming the norm”
You seem not to know what you have said or what you are saying
There are no novated agreements. They are a figment of your imagination. Novating the agreements would require the EU to consent to the novation which they would never do as it would terminate their agreement with whichever third party the agreement was with
Similarly the EU would not consent to the agreements being assigned
They can however be replicated or plagiarised depending on how you view it
No doubt you will still fail to grasp that nobsgreements have been or will be novated but at least I’m beginning to understand why you voted leave
25-01-2019, 07:20 PM
15
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Bread
->
It's utter garbage - the 27 are watching it make a complete pigs ear of the UK withdrawal bill and forcing it to walk away with no deal and taking 39 billion off the table.Slow hand claps all round for that one.
Meanwhile here come higher tariffs on German cars from the USA....
We are the ones walking away with No Deal, not the EU.
We are the ones who set our red lines, not the EU.
Barnier, the office boy as you call him, is not useless, he has run rings round the UK.
The EU have not only done 5 Free Trade Deals in 40 years.
We do not have a novation agreement with Japan.
My issue is not with Brexit, it is with the incompetent way our Politicians have dealt with it.
Taking back control was a key issue, reducing EU Immigration.
We leave in a few weeks, Border Control have stated that they will not even have a system in place to tell which are new EU Migrants and which are existing ones returning here.
That is an absolute disgrace.
Other Countries are not coming running, Liam Fox has publicly stated that, we are having problems with existing Trade Deals, let alone new ones.
The UK has been seriously let down by our Politicians.
25-01-2019, 07:20 PM
16
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Bread
->
It's utter garbage - the 27 are watching it make a complete pigs ear of the UK withdrawal bill and forcing it to walk away with no deal and taking 39 billion off the table.Slow hand claps all round for that one.
Meanwhile here come higher tariffs on German cars from the USA....
As far as the German car industry goes about 70% of the people I work with have German cars. Mainly Mercedes, Audi and BMzw but there are a few Porsche and VWs as well.
We’ve discussed tariffs and none have said that tariffs would stop them buying or leasing as most do nowadays. Yhete is quite s brand loyalty with BMW in particular
25-01-2019, 07:39 PM
17
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Banchory
->
There is a deal on the table: it is the UK that is threatening to walk away. The threat to walk away isa legitimate negotiation tool but walking away usually means staying as you were.
Originally Posted by Banchory
->
This is not the case for Brexit as every forecast indicated that whilst it will affect the EU the impact on the UK will be much lager as a proportion of GDP. Ireland will take a fairly big hit but no doubt the EU will provide some form of relief to soften the blow
25-01-2019, 07:40 PM
18
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Banchory
->
There is a deal on the table: it is the UK that is threatening to walk away. The threat to walk away isa legitimate negotiation tool but walking away usually means staying as you were. This is not the case for Brexit as every forecast indicated that whilst it will affect the EU the impact on the UK will be much lager as a proportion of GDP. Ireland will take a fairly big hit but no doubt the EU will provide some form of relief to soften the blowAs far as the German car industry goes about 70% of the people I work with have German cars. Mainly Mercedes, Audi and BMzw but there are a few Porsche and VWs as well.
We’ve discussed tariffs and none have said that tariffs would stop them buying or leasing as most do nowadays. Yhete is quite s brand loyalty with BMW in particular
The deal on the table does not have a majority in parliament. In case you hadn't noticed it got voted down by 230 votes it's that bad
Another fine example of the EU failing to negotiate
25-01-2019, 07:54 PM
19
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Bread
->
The deal on the table does not have a majority in parliament. In case you hadn't noticed it got voted down by 230 votes it's that badAnother fine example of the EU failing to negotiate
They will now tell May to extend Article 50 and draft another fudge deal that again doesn't really see us properly leave the EU.
No Deal is our only way out but they are manoeuvring to deny us that legal option.
25-01-2019, 09:01 PM
20
Re: The Post Brexit Insurance Conundrum
Originally Posted by Bread
->
They won't buy a BMW when it costs an extra 10 grand.The deal on the table does not have a majority in parliament. In case you hadn't noticed it got voted down by 230 votes it's that bad
Another fine example of the EU failing to negotiate
Then again a lot of Brexiteers are advocating zero tariffs on imports. Not something I would agree with but hey ho keeps the cost down
One of my cars is an American made ford that was subject to EU WTO tariffs and it didn’t put me off buying it
Lastly, one of the guys has spoken to a dealership that has assured him that there are options available to maintain sales and that the rapid fall in diesel sales is more concerning.
As I said, it’s the UK that does not want a deal. The EU is a seasoned negotiator with a much stronger hand than the UK. Dyson saw this and “futureproofed” his company to maintain tariff free acces to Europe and get lower tax and less regulation as well
|
|
