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Oh, dear. I was afraid of that. some people seem to think that if we have a great difficulty explaining ancient technology, then it must have been aliens.
Remember, the ancient Egyptians were every bit as intelligent as us. Moreover, they had thousands of years to solve problems, while we have been trying to solve the mysteries for only a hundred years or so.
Aliens ? Oh, please.
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It could have been possible if we were originally visitors from another world and using the latest technology that without the infrastructure in place would have perished over the years (how long would our vehicles, electronics and technology last if it was no longer possible to source and manufacture materials after a complete collapse of the infrastructure?)

I'm not talking about a few passengers and crew, I'm talking hundreds of thousands of people who had been travelling through space for thousands of years and several generations, some of which would no longer remember where they came from, on a spaceship the size of the moon. Vestiges of their technology, construction and drawings still remain......
That seems to me to be the only possible explanation OGF. I have often thought there must have been intelligence from another world/dimension on planet earth millennia ago. Are we the descendants of aliens? Very possibly.
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These monuments, like so many throughout the world, shouldn't have been possible with the technology available at the time, remembering that these were built in the bronze age with no advanced hardened tools.

There really does have to be another part to the equation, for e.g. let's not forget such things as the granite boxes in the Serapeum at Saqquara, we couldn't do that today with all the technology to hand... !
Barry, the technology required to produce those granite boxes is not at all difficult. Physically difficult ? Absolutely , yes. But not technologically difficult.
Example: if given thousands of laborers, I could easily create a perfectly flat stone foundation, (out of bedrock) that measures 10 hectares square. You may ask how ? Simple. I'd start by digging a shallow square trench in the bedrock and fill it with water. As you know, water seeks its own level. It is then only a matter of chipping away and polishing the bedrock stone within the square. Eventually, I'd end up with a precisely flat and level bedrock, that varied only a 1/100th of an inch out.
The same applies to the granite boxes at Saqquara. simply invert the box lid and pour water into the cavity. Now, all that needs to be done is to slowly chip away and polish the bottom so that the water is at a precise depth everywhere. Reinvert the lid and place it on the coffin.
In 2007 I visited Saqquara Serapeum. Difficult to achieve those boxes ? Yes. But not impossible.

Oh, and let us not believe those who would say it's impossible with todays technology. That is a myth created by people who make money writing about aliens.
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Barry, the technology required to produce those granite boxes is not at all difficult. Physically difficult ? Absolutely , yes. But not technologically difficult.
Example: if given thousands of laborers, I could easily create a perfectly flat stone foundation, (out of bedrock) that measures 10 hectares square. You may ask how ? Simple. I'd start by digging a shallow square trench in the bedrock and fill it with water. As you know, water seeks its own level. It is then only a matter of chipping away and polishing the bedrock stone within the square. Eventually, I'd end up with a precisely flat and level bedrock, that varied only a 1/100th of an inch out.
The same applies to the granite boxes at Saqquara. simply invert the box lid and pour water into the cavity. Now, all that needs to be done is to slowly chip away and polish the bottom so that the water is at a precise depth everywhere. Reinvert the lid and place it on the coffin.
In 2007 I visited Saqquara Serapeum. Difficult to achieve those boxes ? Yes. But not impossible.

Oh, and let us not believe those who would say it's impossible with todays technology. That is a myth created by people who make money writing about aliens.
Well bugger me, you've just solved a mystery that's baffled some of the greatest engineering minds in the world in an instant, if only they'd asked you first...
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There's ancient wonders everywhere.Were they all built by Martians then ?
It was a popular belief at one time that the lines on the Nazca Plains were drawn by aliens but that has proven to be nonsense.
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One of the greatest mysteries of human history is exactly how the Great Pyramid of Giza was built.
Herodotus, a Greek historian, writing in his seminal work, "The Histories", said it was built in aprox 2,460 BC., took 20 years to complete and contains some 2,300,000 stones. The average stone weighs 2.5 tons , but the single largest stone is estimated to weigh 60 tons.

2,300,000 stones in 20 years. That would be 115,000 stones cut and hauled into place every year. 9,583 stones/month. 319 stones cut and placed every single day of the month. Assuming the workmen labored 10 hours /day, that means they would have had to place 32 stones each and every hour.

32 stones every hour, rough hewn from the native rock, cut precisely , using copper hand saws, and hauled into place.

Perhaps even more mind boggling is exactly how the stones were risen to such great heights. Were stone ramps used ? Egyptologist engineers have concluded that such ramps would have taken material equal in volume to the Great Pyramid itself.

There are no ancient papyrus drawings or writings to explain how this was achieved.

The Great Pyramid of Giza, alleged tomb of Pharaoh Khufu AKA Cheops, the only remaining one of the "7 wonders of the world" stood as the tallest manmade structure for nearly 3,000 years.

As we see it today, is NOT how it looked upon completion. It was covered in polished white limestone and surely would have gleamed like a massive diamond.

As an aside, you might imagine that we would have numerous statues of such a mighty Pharaoh. you would be wrong. the only "statue" we have is a tiny figurine 6 inches tall. (see below)
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Oh, dear. I was afraid of that. some people seem to think that if we have a great difficulty explaining ancient technology, then it must have been aliens.
Aliens ? Oh, please.
Well if you're going to get picky bakerman, I don't think they calibrated time in years, Months, days and hours, they weren't even aware that the earth went round the sun. Therefore a year could have been any length of time, even the lifespan of a human..... The desert now provides oil from the forests that were once abundant, so the sediment was washed down by seawater (an early example of Global Warming ) perhaps they floated the large stones into place using boats. And labour was cheap in those days, 100,000 slaves could be employed for the cost of a MacDonald's......But I did present a serious explanation, and unless people are not capable of thinking outside the box, they will always be astounded.
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27-05-2021, 10:04 AM
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There's ancient wonders everywhere.Were they all built by Martians then ?
It was a popular belief at one time that the lines on the Nazca Plains were drawn by aliens but that has proven to be nonsense.
I don't believe I've read your explanation yet Smiffy, or are you here just to mock?...
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The greatest mystery is where the sods hid the Back-hoes, JCB's, tower cranes etc. having finished with them.


Having said that as far as the cut in basalt is concerned --- that can be done with cord, fine sand, and water and a whip. Why a whip? To keep the bugger doing it hard at work.
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Oh, I think you can be guaranteed that it is solid. It would collapse otherwise.
Not so sure about that. In any case, I can easily imagine how it could be build with chambers with rock walls with these chambers filled with sand rather than stone (far quicker and cheaper to fill a chamber with sand and rubble, of which there would surely be plenty to want to get rid of than ship out of the area, than cut stones to fit and lug them into place). This would certainly affect the number of stones required and the "lay" rate you originally posted.
 
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