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re : a caring less money obsessed country - well we don't really need all the stuff we have to buy but everyone is used to having it now. I yearn for a simple life but the simple life was hard. People died young. So we have tried to make life easier and that's just made it super complex and super expensive and people are uber-stressed. So it's as marx predicted ref capitalism biting us all on the bum eventually. It's just taken longer to do so because of the global economy. But communism was not the answer either. We simply cannot have our cake and eat it because the first lesson in economics is that resources are finite and we have infinite wants. We just don't have an alternative and money is making the world go around (unfortunately)
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24-08-2017, 06:06 AM
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Hi

I was not concerned by EU Immigration, we had no need to leave the EU to control it, that was one of the big lies.

Many EU Countries have much less immigration from other EU Countries.

France has the same size economy as we do, they have a fraction of the EU Immigration, they control it easily within EU Rules.

It was our choice not to do so.

Germany is altering it's rules, far stricter controls that Cameron asked the EU for.

Germany has not asked the EU, it is just doing it.

No in work benefits until you have earned enough to pay for them, no housing benefit, no unemployment benefit, you must pay into an Insurance scheme.

We give out NI Numbers like confetti, no need to even speak English, other Countries have fluency tests and you must have a job before you get one.

There was no need to leave to control EU Immigration, none at all.

There was no need to leave at all if we had adopted the same attitude towards the EU as France, Germany, Luxembourg etc.

We had even, voluntarily, referred cases to the EU Courts when we had absolutely no need to do so, given them supremacy over our Supreme Court.

Absolute madness, even tiddly little Ireland has refused to accept their judgements.

Our net contributions are completely over shadowed by the money we will lose from Services, which are not part of WTO Rules.

We are not going to be saving £350 million a week, we are going to be losing £200 Million a week in Tax.

The issue is this, we had no Plan to leave, May triggered Article 50 far too early.

If we had delayed Article 50, got everything in place ready to leave and then triggered it, we would be in a much stronger position.

We would not be going cap in hand to ask the EU for an extension of time, a transitional period, for which we will have to pay vast amounts of money.

The boot would have been on the other foot, we would have been in control.

The thought of giving Juncker money appalls me.
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24-08-2017, 07:11 AM
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Why do have to give the EU money ?
What if we just default?
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Why do have to give the EU money ?
What if we just default?
Hi

On another thread I have pointed out that the Austerity we have had so far is to save £20 Billion a year, many have suffered.

The Money Markets, to whom we owe Trillions, have spoken and our Interest payments have gone up already by £18 Billion a year,

This is on the basis that our Credit is good and we do not default.

If we default, we are in Junk Bond status, which means a massive increase in our borrowing costs.

You can forget the triple lock on Pensions, we are then looking at cuts and massive tax Increases, we need to borrow £60 Billion a year just to stand still.

We are not ready for Brexit, the Government are going cap in hand to the EU to ask for a transitional deal.

We will be stung.

It could have been so different.
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I don't understand anything any more
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24-08-2017, 09:57 AM
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There are lots of Spanish around suddenly. I hear the language all the time where once it was East European. Has the Spanish economy nosedived?

There are no longer any Antipodeans because the new tax rules make it not worth their while.
There are probably a lot more Spanish around right now because it's August, holiday time for the Spanish, mass exodus from Madrid until the end of the month. That could account for more Spanish being around at the present time.
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There are probably a lot more Spanish around right now because it's August, holiday time for the Spanish, mass exodus from Madrid until the end of the month. That could account for more Spanish being around at the present time.
Good point most of the Spanish round here are meeting families that have lived here since the 70s, lovely seeing the annual reunions.
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Good point most of the Spanish round here are meeting families that have lived here since the 70s, lovely seeing the annual reunions.
Many Spanish people have relatives living in the UK, Germany and other countries. August is the main time they go to visit relatives and friends.
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Many Spanish people have relatives living in the UK, Germany and other countries. August is the main time they go to visit relatives and friends.
Yes we have quite a big Spanish sector in Woking, many came in the 70s and 80s, you can tell their homes by the white statues in the front gardens, some massive stone madonnas and fountains, very obviously Spanish.
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It's been a few months now.
 
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