Re: Benefits of EU membership?
Originally Posted by Banchory
Do you really believe this will happen?
Looking at just the first of your points
If leaving the EU restricts or makes the UK less attractive to migrant workers unless the benefits system is radically reformed a lot of the jobs these workers do wonít get done.
We could do something radical like UBI whereby there would be no disbenefit to undertaking casual or seasonal work but it would probably be as divisive as Brexit. On the plus side it would future proof the UK against the AI / automation revolution that is inevitable.
There is a general perception these unpopular job are undertaken by unskilled workers. This is far from the truth
An ex colleague of mine spent a few days working in local businesses as part of his companyís local community programme and he spent a couple of days ivkingbfruit and vegetables and one gay in a fruit packing plant. The skilled pickets and packers as he later called them were between 400 and 600% more efficient than him. He also witnessed a group of starters recruited via the job centre, none of which lasted the whole day. The pickets worked all over Europe, moving with the seasons and crops. The packaging plant workers were mainly well educated hard working people doing jobs the British donít want to do. The whole experience was a real eye opener for him
It will have to if Brexit is to work.
Seasonal Workers are not the issue, the plan is that we will be still be issuing permits for them.
We have done this for decades with no adverse effects.
Where do you think we get our sheep shearers from?
They come, earn a mint for a few weeks work and then leave.
It is the basic day to day jobs we need to fill, the weekend working, the 24 hour, 7 days a week, 365 days a year essential things which keep the country going.
This will involve huge changes to the Benefits System.
We have enough unemployed to fill these jobs, they choose not to, because it does not fit in with their views.
The State is not here to give us the lifestyle we want, it is a safety net for those who genuinely cannot work.
I wanted to go to University, not an option, I had to go to work to provide for the family.
I started work cleaning sewers by hand, worked my way up to Polytechnic, still working at nights and weekends, then Uni part time.
I spent four years stripping out pig guts to do this and it paid off.
I funded my post grads by getting a set of drain rods and cleaning drains to support my family.
Life is tough, nobody owes you a living.
I had to leave home and move away to get on in life.
This is the issue with the Corbyn supporters, they expect others to pay for their lifestyles.
I am happy to pay extra Tax for those who genuinely cannot work, and their carers.
I resent every penny of Tax going to those who think the state owes them a lifestyle they expect.