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Because thats where they fill up the Russian fleet when it goes up the Med
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But the Gibraltarians had a referendum in the 1960s on whether they wanted to be Spanish or British..... they voted 99% in favour of being British.

Like I said, the real solution for Gibraltar is to give the Gibraltarians what they want and let them be represented in Westminster.

Why isn't Spain handing back Ceuta and Melilla ?
There you see another flaw in referenda, choice of group given a vote. In 1960 only the occupying power (brits) were asked. The natives were excluded, instead of making them the ones to be given that vote. So now the outcome was to be expected.

Marocco doesn't want them back, both enclaves don't want back, because everybody profits from the taxfree shopping in Ceata and Melila.
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Because thats where they fill up the Russian fleet when it goes up the Med
Nope, spain has forbidden the russian fleet to tank fuel. As has malta, btw. Spain did so after a slap across the wrist from nato.
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There you see another flaw in referenda, choice of group given a vote. In 1960 only the occupying power (brits) were asked. The natives were excluded, instead of making them the ones to be given that vote. So now the outcome was to be expected.

Marocco doesn't want them back, both enclaves don't want back, because everybody profits from the taxfree shopping in Ceata and Melila.
The natives were the ones that voted in Gibraltar. They are the ones that live there

Keep up
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The natives were the ones that voted in Gibraltar. They are the ones that live there

Keep up
I know it's difficult. The colonial power present in gibraltar are the brits. The native people of gibraltar are spanish. Both groups live there.
Those with a british background were asked whether they wanted to remain british. The natives were asked nothing. You savvy?
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I know it's difficult. The colonial power present in gibraltar are the brits. The native people of gibraltar are spanish. Both groups live there.
Those with a british background were asked whether they wanted to remain british. The natives were asked nothing. You savvy?
That's about as desperate a post as I've ever seen.

Anyway, when Spain ends it's occupation of Catalonia and Spain and France gives the Basque country it's independence I think that might be the time to give the Gibraltarians another referendum on their British status !
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"We" settled it.... you mean the treaty of Utrecht...

But the Gibraltarians had a referendum in the 1960s on whether they wanted to be Spanish or British..... they voted 99% in favour of being British.

Like I said, the real solution for Gibraltar is to give the Gibraltarians what they want and let them be represented in Westminster.

Why isn't Spain handing back Ceuta and Melilla ?
Give Gibraltar back to Spain, Northern Ireland back to Ireland? None of these mattered until Brexit. It seems Brexit is a can of worms.
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That's about as desperate a post as I've ever seen.

Anyway, when Spain ends it's occupation of Catalonia and Spain and France gives the Basque country it's independence I think that might be the time to give the Gibraltarians another referendum on their British status !
The regions you name are not on the united nation's list of colonies to be liberated. Gibraltar is. Two centuries of occupation by british should be enough punishment for losing a war in 1700.
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Give Gibraltar back to Spain, Northern Ireland back to Ireland? None of these mattered until Brexit. It seems Brexit is a can of worms.
Gibraltar is a subject for the UN since 1946. Now spain has some leverage on britain.
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The regions you name are not on the united nation's list of colonies to be liberated. Gibraltar is. Two centuries of occupation by british should be enough punishment for losing a war in 1700.

The people who we rightly punished are long dead.

Therefore we forget about that and look to the current status......A happy, united people secure in their British nationhood.

We never 'occupied' Gib as it was ceded to us in it's entirety in perpetuity.

Spanish claims are based on greed and envy and is no way to conduct international relations.

Spain should learn the lessons of history and realise they have always fared better as Great Britain's ally rather than it's enemy.
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