20-05-2016, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI do not see what the issue is here.
To me it is an example of Democracy in action.
Our elected representatives keeping the Government under control, which is how it should be.
The NHS is a serious mess, sorting it out is vital.
Privatising it will only make it infinitely worse.
20-05-2016, 01:36 PM
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Don't you think if the Conservatives were going to privatise the NHS they would have done it years ago when they had the opportunity? There might be a case for some some sections to be run privately but a full blooded privatisation would never be allowed.Nor will any government be able to make any really big changes to the NHS system because of the vested interests of unions, management doctors etc, all protecting their own little fiefdoms. Not unless there is a drastic change in the attitude of the electorate.
Its not just the NHS where this attitude prevails. Mention Fracking, High Speed rail links, the Police Force, Housing or any other proposal to change the status quo and up pop the protest groups with their banners and marches to hinder and stand in the way.
A government with a tiny majority such as the present one cannot afford to ignore such groups and so every proposed change gets kicked into the long grass. What a way to run a country.
20-05-2016, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainmaker
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Don't you think if the Conservatives were going to privatise the NHS they would have done it years ago when they had the opportunity? There might be a case for some some sections to be run privately but a full blooded privatisation would never be allowed.Nor will any government be able to make any really big changes to the NHS system because of the vested interests of unions, management doctors etc, all protecting their own little fiefdoms. Not unless there is a drastic change in the attitude of the electorate.
Its not just the NHS where this attitude prevails. Mention Fracking, High Speed rail links, the Police Force, Housing or any other proposal to change the status quo and up pop the protest groups with their banners and marches to hinder and stand in the way.
A government with a tiny majority such as the present one cannot afford to ignore such groups and so every proposed change gets kicked into the long grass. What a way to run a country.
Better that, than some 'nasty party' oik trampling on our rights and taking away previously hard won concessions on a whole host of issues!!!
20-05-2016, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by moreover
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The Eu has refused to sign up to TTIP so far. Guess what will happen if we vote out and the Tories have the say on whether we sign away our rights or not? What do you think this alleged 'contract' is about? Remember Hunt's family own BUPA - the Private Health Care conglomerate.
so if anything happens to the NHS , he's "another" that will be in the right place at the right time?
20-05-2016, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainmaker
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Don't you think if the Conservatives were going to privatise the NHS they would have done it years ago when they had the opportunity?
I can imagine that they would still like to privatise it, but are trying to be clever and do it bit by bit by stealth.
The thing that annoys me more than anything else is that at the same time that they claim poverty and impose austerity measures, they continue to throw money away on foreign aid.
What do we get for it, apart from making people warm inside that they are helping the less fortunate? How far do our own fortunes need to decrease before we realise that charity begins at home.
20-05-2016, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by moreover
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The Eu has refused to sign up to TTIP so far. Guess what will happen if we vote out and the Tories have the say on whether we sign away our rights or not? What do you think this alleged 'contract' is about? Remember Hunt's family own BUPA - the Private Health Care conglomerate.
You have got me beaten with that statement.
BUPA do not have any shareholders, do not pay any dividends and all profits, after tax are reinvested in the Company.
In view of the above I cannot see how Jeremy Hunt's family can own BUPA or how anyone else can for that matter.
Could you please advise me regarding your statement, if it is true that would be a major conflict of interest which needs a full public inquiry.
20-05-2016, 06:58 PM
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https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/10...ottomley-link/Wiki:
Virginia Hilda Brunette Maxwell Bottomley, Baroness Bottomley of Nettlestone, PC, DL (née ... She has been Chair of the Board Practice at executive head-hunting firm Odgers Berndtson ... She was a non-executive director of Bupa. ... is a cousin, as are Jeremy Hunt (Conservative Secretary of State for Health), Lord Hunt of ...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs...off-in-england
Plenty more out there if you care to look.
21-05-2016, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Perhaps their hands were tied by the Limp Dems.I can imagine that they would still like to privatise it, but are trying to be clever and do it bit by bit by stealth.
The thing that annoys me more than anything else is that at the same time that they claim poverty and impose austerity measures, they continue to throw money away on foreign aid.
What do we get for it, apart from making people warm inside that they are helping the less fortunate? How far do our own fortunes need to decrease before we realise that charity begins at home.
What it needs is some proper responsible management, if a business was run in the way they would be out of business within a week.
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