27-04-2019, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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There are times when I wonder how those who refer to the Conservative party in derogatory terms would describe a surgeon who had removed a malignant tumour that was ruining their health and future prospects but resulted in a short period of postoperative pain.
They have to do this ibecause it's part of the lefty principles. If they didn't someone else who is a lefty might think they are a Tory supporter by accident.
So they have to keep saying it over and over again.
28-04-2019, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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If Brown hadn't broken the role and powers of the BoE the UK banks would not have the freedom that they did to exploit the "opportunities" that the toxic bundles being offered for sale from the USA.
I repeat: Brown was a good Tory chancellor, whatever his party label.
28-04-2019, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OldFogey
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I didn't hear any Tories complaining at the time. Deregulation was all the rage, laissez-faire, autonomy of the market, blah, blah. All good thatcherite BS.I repeat: Brown was a good Tory chancellor, whatever his party label.
But when it comes not to deregulation but deliberate disconnection of things that should absolutely NOT be disconnected from political responsibility then that is where the wheels come off and that is what Brown did.
Instead by giving control of the nation's MONEY directly to the BoE with no government involvement other than tell the BoE chairman the rate of inflation that was the target and leave it to the BoE HOW they achieved it while at the same time taking away the tools to make it happen -----.
His reasons for doing so are obvious and disgusting.
Then the sale of our gold reserves. The only way that he undertook that can be described as lunatic quite apart for why he did so. That in itself was scandalous.
Let's not forget the infamous raid into the workers pension scheme.
That bit of skullduggery broke the Final Salary Pensions for millions of workers.
And there really is so very much more.
As for represent Thatcherite principals, my only comment is that if anyone thinks for a New York Second that is the case then they plainly have absolutely no understanding of what Mrs Thatcher was all about.
29-04-2019, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by the artful todger
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managed deregulation was very much needed when the conservative government came into office and was part of the get well program desperately needed to pull the uk back from where it had been left teetering on the brink. But when it comes not to deregulation but deliberate disconnection of things that should absolutely not be disconnected from political responsibility then that is where the wheels come off and that is what brown did.
Instead by giving control of the nation's money directly to the boe with no government involvement other than tell the boe chairman the rate of inflation that was the target and leave it to the boe how they achieved it while at the same time taking away the tools to make it happen -----.
His reasons for doing so are obvious and disgusting.
Then the sale of our gold reserves. The only way that he undertook that can be described as lunatic quite apart for why he did so. That in itself was scandalous.
Let's not forget the infamous raid into the workers pension scheme.
That bit of skullduggery broke the final salary pensions for millions of workers.
And there really is so very much more.
As for represent thatcherite principals, my only comment is that if anyone thinks for a new york second that is the case then they plainly have absolutely no understanding of what mrs thatcher was all about.
29-04-2019, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Managed deregulation was very much needed when the Conservative government came into office and was part of the get well program desperately needed to pull the UK back from where it had been left teetering on the brink. But when it comes not to deregulation but deliberate disconnection of things that should absolutely NOT be disconnected from political responsibility then that is where the wheels come off and that is what Brown did.
Instead by giving control of the nation's MONEY directly to the BoE with no government involvement other than tell the BoE chairman the rate of inflation that was the target and leave it to the BoE HOW they achieved it while at the same time taking away the tools to make it happen -----.
His reasons for doing so are obvious and disgusting.
Then the sale of our gold reserves. The only way that he undertook that can be described as lunatic quite apart for why he did so. That in itself was scandalous.
Let's not forget the infamous raid into the workers pension scheme.
That bit of skullduggery broke the Final Salary Pensions for millions of workers.
And there really is so very much more.
As for represent Thatcherite principals, my only comment is that if anyone thinks for a New York Second that is the case then they plainly have absolutely no understanding of what Mrs Thatcher was all about.
And we are all aware of Thatcher's concern for ordinary working people . . . ! Margaret Thatcher - champion of the working-class.
Holy Christ, I've heard it all now.
29-04-2019, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by OldFogey
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. . . and not a Tory complained at the time. That is the point. It was all about "freeing-up" "wealth-creators" to "get on with the job" and save us from the clutches of dastardly left-wing politicians.And we are all aware of Thatcher's concern for ordinary working people . . . ! Margaret Thatcher - champion of the working-class.
Holy Christ, I've heard it all now.
What nobody thought was that Brown would be stupid or shamefully devious or most likely both as to fail to ensure that managing the banking sector that the BoE had in place would not have been boiler plated into his newly created Financial Services Authority'.
But it wasn't. THAT was the root cause of the UK banking crisis.
Was Thatcher the "champion of the working class"?
Yes.
The workers of the whole of the UK. And if that needs to explained to anyone who by now can't see it to have been the case will never see it.
29-04-2019, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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There was widespread relief amongst the people engaged in business that deregulation was taking place simply because so much regulation was loaded with requirements that added nothing of value to the intent of the regulation, were Socialist inspired to obstruct free enterprise, were horrendously damaging the economy and inhibiting expansion.What nobody thought was that Brown would be stupid or shamefully devious or most likely both as to fail to ensure that managing the banking sector that the BoE had in place would not have been boiler plated into his newly created Financial Services Authority'.
But it wasn't. THAT was the root cause of the UK banking crisis.
Was Thatcher the "champion of the working class"?
Yes.
The workers of the whole of the UK. And if that needs to explained to anyone who by now can't see it to have been the case will never see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bgTPyeiD1o
29-04-2019, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by OldFogey
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The best short summary of Thatcher:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bgTPyeiD1o
Especially by him being a latter-day Fenian POS.
29-04-2019, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Twink55
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I would like to raise another point here.One of the reasons they started putting pressure on those claiming benefits was because too many have worked out how to play the system. There are people who claim benefits, but still manage to work for cash only & the people they live among don't report them. You don't have to be too clever to convince a doctor that you are ill or disabled & there are many illnesses that can't be proven by medical tests!
Surely the fraudulent claimers must be partly responsible for this poor sick man being forced to work
I agree that this is a serious problem and is the root cause of the very strict - sometimes over-strict - interrogations that some applicants receive.
I'm not sure exactly what qualifications these 'interviewers' possess; I'm not sure whether they are all doctors, but they should be much more thorough and, if necessary, send those they are doubtful about for medical tests.
Had this unfortunate chap been properly medically checked, he could well have been found to be deserving of state assistance.
On the other hand the despicable 'expert claimants' should, when tumbled, be subject to very severe penalties. None of this suspended sentence nonsense, hard labour would teach them what they should have been doing rather than leeching off the state.
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