13-12-2020, 08:55 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Do i believe that the mentally ill should not be allowed to live? Do I believe they should be euthanised? Well I do believe that those unfortunates who do live a life with a very poor quality of life should be candidates for euthanasia as is the case with the Groningen protocol modified to be more inclusive.
How do you square your beliefs stated here with your previous stated abhorrence to the death penalty, especially since there is a potential synonism between the two? Is euthenasia not the same as an imposed death (ie the sentence imposed for the "crime" of being "unfortunate")?
13-12-2020, 09:01 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by bakerman
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I am absolutely appalled that you would say such a wicked thing. Clearly, you are an apologist for Nazi doctrine. Shame. Shame. Shame.
13-12-2020, 09:02 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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Interesting. Especially the "more inclusive" bit. Obvious problems with the decision making processes.How do you square your beliefs stated here with your previous stated abhorrence to the death penalty, especially since there is a potential synonism between the two? Is euthenasia not the same as an imposed death (ie the sentence imposed for the "crime" of being "unfortunate")?
13-12-2020, 09:04 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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Interesting. Especially the "more inclusive" bit. Obvious problems with the decision making processes.How do you square your beliefs stated here with your previous stated abhorrence to the death penalty, especially since there is a potential synonism between the two? Is euthenasia not the same as an imposed death (ie the sentence imposed for the "crime" of being "unfortunate")?
Capital punishment is principally a punishment.
Euthanasia is not a punishment, it is the exact opposite.
13-12-2020, 09:06 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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FAR from it. All I am proposing is that the option should exist when appropriate.
There is a somewhat widely held view that it is "appropriate" to euthanize murderers and terrorists. The trouble is that once one crosses this line of acceptance, one will have made things far easier to cross others.
13-12-2020, 09:07 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Capital punishment is principally a punishment. Euthanasia is not a punishment, it is the exact opposite.
13-12-2020, 09:13 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by bakerman
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I agree. Back in the days of the Nazi regime, the "unfortunates" like Stephen Hawking would have been euthanized. It frightens the hell out of me that their are people who have not learned anything from history.
13-12-2020, 09:18 PM
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Let's not beat around the bush Todger, once you start advocating euthanasia "where appropriate", then you're well on the way down the road towards Lebensunwertes Leben. The holocaust is then justified by saying that it was done out of love, to stop Jews from suffering the awful existence of their own existence.That's where the logic leads. Are you sure you want to do that?
13-12-2020, 09:23 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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Let's not beat around the bush Todger, once you start advocating euthanasia "where appropriate", then you're well on the way down the road towards Lebensunwertes Leben. The holocaust is then justified by saying that it was done out of love, to stop Jews from suffering the awful existence of their own existence. That's where the logic leads. Are you sure you want to do that?
13-12-2020, 09:27 PM
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Re: Trump to execute 5 convicted killers
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Yes, because the extention of the Groningen Protocol does not automatically result in genocide. There is absolutely no link between genocide and mercy killing and never could be. Ever.
Anyway, let's look at this "extention" you refer to. Since you brought it up, perhaps you'd like to elucidate on some specific examples that you've got in mind. Who do you think would benefit from this Gnadentod?
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