Re: Flu jab 2018 booked
Originally Posted by
Bruce
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Let's get this straight
Yes let's.
You previously laughed at the ONS data I provided links to stating that:
"The bureau clearly states that these figures are not logged by 'specifically recorded' cause of death they are deaths recorded where "Flu was mentioned as one of the causes of the death"
Your statement was completely wrong as I have painstakingly set out in my posts. The figures DO show the number of deaths specifically caused by Flu.
You then tried posting up some other ONS figures from a "User request" which showed deaths where flu was the cause and deaths where flu was mentioned and tried to suggest that these were completely different to the figures that I had provided and that therefore none of these ONS figures could be trusted.
You were proved completely wrong . . . again . . . and I had to show you that both sets of ONS figures were in fact the same. You simply had gotten your knickers in a twist and failed to understand the ICD categories.
Really, when you are wrong, you should really man up and admit you are wrong for doing so is a sign of courage and strength.
Originally Posted by
Bruce
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So what you are now claiming is that the recent increases in incidences of flu are
not caused by the change in the data recording criteria but are in fact actually caused by the flu vaccinations themselves?
I've made no comment at all on the "incidences of flu". I have simply provided ONS data that shows irrefutably that
the number of deaths specifically caused by Flu in England and Wales has been going up, year on year.
It really isn't a difficult concept to understand and take on board imho.
I personally conclude from those figures that the Flu Vaccine is utterly useless for had it any efficacy at all the number of deaths caused by Flu would be going down not up.
I didn't need those figures to tell me that the vaccine was useless snake oil because there are already numerous impartial and reliable studies out there by international research groups like Cochrane who have concluded that the vaccines are useless.
Originally Posted by
Bruce
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If you are to be believed then there is no other explanation - there has been no epidemics and presumably the NHS is not going out of its way to kill flu patients. It must be a conspiracy - we better get out our tin foil beanies.
The NHS is negligent in continuing to devote so much precious time and money towards the yearly flu vaccine campaigns. The vaccines are clearly useless and a waste of everybody's time. The money could be much better spent on say Mental Health.
As for the strapline about there having been no Flu epidemics since the last big one this has been dealt with before. The reasons there have not been any epidemics is nothing at all to do with vaccines. It's to do with massively increased hygiene protocols and quarantine protocols and similar improvements. The previous epidemic was also caused by large bodies of military personnel being moved about and because of many people being in cramped squalid conditions.
The first Flu vaccine was given to the military in 1945 and it was rolled out to the public in 1946. As the graph below clearly shows, the number of deaths attributable to Flu had already been brought under control well before the vaccine was implemented. It is therefore completely incorrect to suggest that the flu vaccine has prevented further epidemics.
It simply hasn't and it simply can't because the vaccines are useless, do not work and help only about 1 in every 100 people vaccinated. That's scientifically proven fact.