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What I know about Canada is it is. Glued to the top Of the USA

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5. The EU politely declines and advices to take a place at the end of the cue.

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6. The EU loses 40 billion as a result of its belligerent communist arrogance. The other member states despair at the situation they find themselves in. Germany refuses to foot the deficit. France being bankrupt can't foot the deficit. Italy, another great EU country in economic crisis can't foot the deficit either. Greece . . . don't even go there ! All the other member states just need not apply. The EU house of cards comes crumbling down. The UK escapes the clutches of the communist morons. The rest get locked in with no chance of ever coming out. Corpus Juris is implemented. Any criticism of the EU results in citizens being arrested and detained. The police state emerges in totalis. Game over.
Meanwhile the UK people sit back and enjoy cream tea and scones knowing they made the right decision. Free once more.

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7. The EU takes the UK to court (not the ECJ) for fraud. It takes several years, during which nobody wants to do business with an unreliable debtor (being a financial term for a thieve).
Brits are too proud and honest a people to let it come that far.

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Why not chose the sensible solution. Revoke article 50. Find a solution to your problems in Ireland. Prepare well for leaving the EU
Invoke article 50 again and show the EU how negotiations should be performed.

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A load of nonsense Solasch old chum

https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../125/12507.htm

Chapter 4: The UK’s legal obligations


133. We have carefully weighed up the different views of our legal expert witnesses and the opinion of the Legal Adviser to the European Union Committee. Our assessment of the UK’s legal obligations under the EU budget and related financial instruments, in the event that the UK withdraws from the EU without a withdrawal agreement, is as follows:

◾ Article 50 makes clear that, in the absence of a prior withdrawal agreement, the EU “Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question”150 two years after the notice of withdrawal is given. No provision is made for ensuring that EU legal obligations on the withdrawing State persist after the Treaties cease to apply. This is no doubt because the withdrawal agreement is intended to resolve such issues, by “setting out the arrangements for … withdrawal”.151

◾The EU Treaties are at the pinnacle of the hierarchy of EU law; all subordinate EU legislation derives from them. Once the Treaties cease to apply to the UK, all EU legal obligations found in Regulations, Directives and Decisions and other EU acts cease to apply under EU law.

◾ This would include the UK’s current and future legal obligations under the Own Resources Decision, the MFF, and the annual budget.

◾ The jurisdiction of the CJEU over the UK would also come to an end when the EU Treaties ceased to have effect. Outstanding payments could not, therefore, be enforced against the UK in the CJEU.

◾ It follows that, under EU law, Article 50 TEU allows the UK to leave the EU without being liable for outstanding financial obligations under the EU budget or other financial instruments, unless a withdrawal agreement is concluded which resolves this issue.

Pretty clear. There is NO LEGAL OBLIGATION FOR THE UK TO PAY THE EU ANY DIVORCE BILL


The article goes on to say:

"◾ Individual EU Member States might seek to bring a case against the UK for the payments of outstanding liabilities under principles of public international law, but, as our witnesses explained, international law is slow to litigate and hard to enforce. In addition, it is questionable whether an international court or tribunal could have jurisdiction. Article 344 TFEU prohibits EU Member States from submitting the legal interpretation of the EU Treaties to a court other than the CJEU."

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You take us for fools Comrade Solasch. Get thee behind us!

We shall LEAVE, likely with NO DEAL and thus WILL NOT be paying you £40 billion in divorce fees.

Once we are out we may once more set out a negotiating table and invite the EU to it. We will have £40billion to negotiate with and will require the EU to play ball and make some serious compromises and concessions in any trade deals. It will be "take it or leave it"

If the EU walks away. No problem.

We keep our £40 billion (luvly jubbly) and we go and make deals with the USA, and other countries.

As the EU proceeds to collapse and other member states begin to crash out as the UK has done, we will strike up deals with them too.

In fact the UK leaving could be the catalyst that makes it much easier for other member states to GFTO of the EU. Rather than worry about trade deals we can hold out the olive branch to exiting member states and say "no worries old chum, you can trade with us"


Face it matey boy, the EU is screwed, an old has been, a tired old cesspit of corruption that has been rumbled for its true nature which is that of an emerging totalitarian communist state.

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This is precisely my point. It takes years to resolve the matter. All this time the case is for the courts, the outcome could be, the UK acted fraudulent. The name and fame of the UK would be that of a dubious trade partner. Very damaging for trading deals, even under wto rules.

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All your research melts away when placed against reality. The UK has already agreed to pay.

In November 2018 UK government and EU negotiators reached agreement over the UK’s withdrawal from the EU which reaffirmed that the UK and EU have agreed that the UK will honour its commitments to the EU through a financial settlement. The next step is for the agreement to be presented to parliament to vote on.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-divorce-bill/

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And again Solasch/itsme whatever you want to be called . . .

nice try . . . but no cigar

Here's the salient bit you left off that quote above:

"The next step is for the agreement to be presented to parliament to vote on.

The divorce bill is not binding until parliament approves the withdrawal agreement."


In short, May's current deal, the traitorous pretend we're out but "stay in the EU" deal which no-one wants DOES include the £40bn divorce payment.

That payment IS PART OF THAT DEAL.

If the deal is rejected by parliament and/or the UK People then all terms and components of that deal are gone.

Thus your £40bn at that point melts away into nothing.

So once again my little EU chumps,

If we Leave with NO DEAL you're getting nothing, nada, zilch, bugger all, sweet FA, 3/5ths of nothing.


The UK people are not stupid. Well some are, but the majority are most certainly not. We are extremely happy to Leave with a managed NO DEAL and retain our £40 billion which we can put to all manner of good uses instead of it going into the EU cesspit.

I will push hard for a NO DEAL outcome and then have a wry smile at the EU as it then subsequently crawls back to the negotiating table with its tail between its legs.