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From your knowledge of the business. Is it possible that american intelligence has been privvy to mails from foreign diplomats working in the states. And someone inadvertently showed trump some of the mails darroch sent about him to the queen?
I think trump is capable of making these mails public himself, just to be able to have darroch sacked.
Thy would not have been sent to Mrs Windsor. They would have been sent to the foreign office.
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11-07-2019, 07:02 PM
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Thy would not have been sent to Mrs Windsor. They would have been sent to the foreign office.
Any ambassador sents his reports to his head of state. Yours happens to be the queen.
Who reads the reports is another matter. As was demonstrated last few days
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11-07-2019, 07:22 PM
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Any ambassador sents his reports to his head of state. Yours happens to be the queen.
Who reads the reports is another matter. As was demonstrated last few days
In the UK any and all communique are sent to the minister responsible. Mrs Windsor is the TITULAR head of state.
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11-07-2019, 07:42 PM
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But did he jump or was he pushed?

Who cares. But if he was pushed he certainly deserved to have been and as for Hunt supporting him?

If ANYTHING shows why Hunt is not fit to be the UK supporting Darroch proves the matter

Trump's response was remarkably restrained. Darroch should have resigned on the spot and if not he should have been instantly recalled.
Re title: Many people wouldn't have know who Tim whatshisname is.
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11-07-2019, 08:26 PM
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Quite .
It's Kim actually
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11-07-2019, 09:35 PM
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In the UK any and all communique are sent to the minister responsible. Mrs Windsor is the TITULAR head of state.
You think high diplomats, answerable to the queen, send their reports to a department, where somebody else decides whether the queen is allowed to read it? Yeah, of course.
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11-07-2019, 10:24 PM
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You think high diplomats, answerable to the queen, send their reports to a department, where somebody else decides whether the queen is allowed to read it? Yeah, of course.
In the UK they are not answerable to Mrs Windsor. She is a TITULAR head of state. Nothing more. She does what Parliment tell her via the prime minister. A constitutional monarch.
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12-07-2019, 12:09 AM
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In the UK they are not answerable to Mrs Windsor. She is a TITULAR head of state. Nothing more. She does what Parliment tell her via the prime minister. A constitutional monarch.
Despite costing taxpayers around £40 million every year, the royal family has consistently forfeited the profits garnered from the land they own ó revenue that amounts to about*"); £200 million*every year. This means that simply letting the Queen stay in Buckingham Palace earns the UK £160 million every year.

On top of that, tourists flock to a country that still has living monarchs, earning the UK about £7 billion in annual revenue.

Queen Elizabeth II certainly doesnít rule with the iron fist of her distant ancestors, but she definitely isnít worthless. Even if many of the duties granted to her in the royal prerogative donít amount to much, those in power still listen closely to her opinion and sheís adored by a vast majority of her subjects.
The Queen also has a special relationship with the Prime Minister, retaining the right to appoint and also meeting with him or her on a regular basis.
She may not have much power, but she sure is powerful.
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12-07-2019, 12:12 AM
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Re: Kim Darroch out

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In the UK they are not answerable to Mrs Windsor. She is a TITULAR head of state. Nothing more. She does what Parliment tell her via the prime minister. A constitutional monarch.
You seem to forget we have a constitutional monarch too. Just accept that I know it's machinations.
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12-07-2019, 09:10 AM
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You seem to forget we have a constitutional monarch too. Just accept that I know it's machinations.
But obviously not in the case of the UK. In terms of real realpolitik ambassadors report to ministers. The queen is simply a "rubber stamp" where matters of government are concerned.
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